A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms: The Hedge Knight

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I think he's in a pretty bad spot with regard to the main GoT story. I think the biggest thing that made everyone turn on the show in the last season was Daenerys turning into a psycho so suddenly. Even though there is foreshadowing of it happening going all the way back to early in the series, she still goes from risking everything for the good of the people to mass slaughter in 2 episodes. They put in plenty of smaller atrocities along the way, but it was always framed as her just going a bit too far with good intentions. If they had shown her more clearly being ruthless and movitvated by lust for power, she would have lost the loyalty of people who have brains and integrity like Tyrion and Varys. They tried the shoot it down the middle by making Tyrion get kind of dumb and giving Daeny token atrocities like burning the Tarleys and triggering events like the deaths of Missandei and Rhaegal but people just didn't buy it.

It's a real tricky thing to write. Maybe Martin could have pulled it off, but the TV writers did not. Now Martin is screwed because the story is already out there and people are mad and he's somehow supposed to pull off this already difficult trick for a bunch of people who are already mad at it. Seeing how he's already fabulously wealthy and money is still rolling in every day, given the choice of living the rich guy lifestyle and relaxing for the rest of his life vs. writing something really difficult that is just as likely to further tarnish his legacy as redeem it, it's not that surprising that he just decided to punt.
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This, 100%. You are spot on.

In addition I really think he wrote about 37 different sprawling storylines that the show runners quietly ignored/dropped, and honestly I think he has no idea how to resolve them or pull them together. He just kept adding new directions for things and none of them have gone anywhere yet. The storyboard has to be 50 feet wide trying to tie everything together.
 
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His biggest gaff with Arya kill stealing from Jon Snow he will never live down. He's riding that one to his grave. The prince who was promised, the secret targaryan, and fucking retard ninja arya is the hero? Granted there is no night king in the books but that doesn't mean he wouldn't exist in book 6.
 
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BrutulTM said:
I think he's in a pretty bad spot with regard to the main GoT story. I think the biggest thing that made everyone turn on the show in the last season was Daenerys turning into a psycho so suddenly. Even though there is foreshadowing of it happening going all the way back to early in the series, she still goes from risking everything for the good of the people to mass slaughter in 2 episodes. They put in plenty of smaller atrocities along the way, but it was always framed as her just going a bit too far with good intentions. If they had shown her more clearly being ruthless and movitvated by lust for power, she would have lost the loyalty of people who have brains and integrity like Tyrion and Varys. They tried the shoot it down the middle by making Tyrion get kind of dumb and giving Daeny token atrocities like burning the Tarleys and triggering events like the deaths of Missandei and Rhaegal but people just didn't buy it.

It's a real tricky thing to write...
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I'm not even sure it's that tricky, D&D are just fucking incompetent ("Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet...") and turned down the additional episodes/seasons to flesh it out and have it make sense. Also, not that it would have saved the shit show we got for the last few seasons, but something as simple as having one of her dragons dying during the attack on King's Landing would make more sense to trigger her rampage, instead of... the city surrendering and getting what you want? God that shit was retarded.
 
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I'm not even sure it's that tricky, D&D are just fucking incompetent ("Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet...") and turned down the additional episodes/seasons to flesh it out and have it make sense. Also, not that it would have saved the shit show we got for the last few seasons, but something as simple as having one of her dragons dying during the attack on King's Landing would make more sense to trigger her rampage, instead of... the city surrendering and getting what you want? God that shit was retarded.
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Yeah, the TV writers had the added difficulty of having to do it in a very short period of time. The idea of having the revelation of Jon Snow's true identity, the battle with the army of the dead, and then going all the way to conquering King's landing and resolving all the other storylines in 6 episodes is just preposterous. In that situation a lot of shit is just going to have to get phoned in. S8 could have easily been two 8 or 10 episode seasons and it would have been better for it. The writers definitely failed, but the suits and show runners put them in an impossible situation.
 
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No one is more acutely aware of this than GRRM. GRRM himself can't shrug off 15 years of stagnation-- regardless of how bitter he is over forced re-writes by Twitter trolls.

Collaboration is coming. One way or another.
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Monkey paw curls: GRRM announces Brian Herbert will finish the remaining books
 
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BrutulTM said:
Yeah, the TV writers had the added difficulty of having to do it in a very short period of time.
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Which was self-imposed and not a decision by HBO. Budget was authorized for more seasons.

The Disney development deal on the table-- they felt they were bigger than HBO at that point.

Indirectly Disney is responsible for ruining GoT. Without that carrot, Bloys would have been able to shake more seasons out of them or at least get them agree to the movie deal they were offered post-season 8.
 
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Bald Brah said:
His biggest gaff with Arya kill stealing from Jon Snow he will never live down. He's riding that one to his grave. The prince who was promised, the secret targaryan, and fucking retard ninja arya is the hero? Granted there is no night king in the books but that doesn't mean he wouldn't exist in book 6.
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the fatman made a bunch of gaff's but this isn't one of them.

Most of the last 3 seasons were created all or in part by the show runners D&D, including that entire sequence.

As you seem to realize the Night King is a show only creation so who ends up killing him is also a show only creation and nothing to do with any book prophecies regarding the prince who was promised.
 
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I would have preferred Arya to continue to use faceless man tactics to mass destroy everyone who wronged her family so continually that she is merely known as a plague and myth that takes vengeance upon evil who wrong the honorable and just.

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BrutulTM said:
I think he's in a pretty bad spot with regard to the main GoT story. I think the biggest thing that made everyone turn on the show in the last season was Daenerys turning into a psycho so suddenly. Even though there is foreshadowing of it happening going all the way back to early in the series, she still goes from risking everything for the good of the people to mass slaughter in 2 episodes. They put in plenty of smaller atrocities along the way, but it was always framed as her just going a bit too far with good intentions. If they had shown her more clearly being ruthless and movitvated by lust for power, she would have lost the loyalty of people who have brains and integrity like Tyrion and Varys. They tried the shoot it down the middle by making Tyrion get kind of dumb and giving Daeny token atrocities like burning the Tarleys and triggering events like the deaths of Missandei and Rhaegal but people just didn't buy it.

It's a real tricky thing to write. Maybe Martin could have pulled it off, but the TV writers did not. Now Martin is screwed because the story is already out there and people are mad and he's somehow supposed to pull off this already difficult trick for a bunch of people who are already mad at it. Seeing how he's already fabulously wealthy and money is still rolling in every day, given the choice of living the rich guy lifestyle and relaxing for the rest of his life vs. writing something really difficult that is just as likely to further tarnish his legacy as redeem it, it's not that surprising that he just decided to punt.
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He absolutely could have gotten that to work, it's all a matter of perspective. Consider the original obtaining of the unsullied - that was 100% deranged psycho behavior, but readers/watchers cheered, because 'fuck them slavers!'
 
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I don't know the source material or anything other than the preview that was shown at the end of the last episode, but...

I think Egg's pops is going to have Dunk trained by whatever weapon master trained his kids. If Egg demands to squire for Dunk, I don't think papa targaryan is going to go for it unless Dunk agrees to do some training and not be such a shit knight.
 
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Autist fanbois being retards again:

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This series was VERY well done. Sad it's over. Now I don't have anything to look forward to on Sunday until after Memorial Day.
 
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Yeah, that was really pretty great all the way through. Rewatching it before the finale, there are some really well laid out shots and beautifully framed scenes in each episode. I loved the shot of Dunk and Egg riding out of the tourney at the end with Ser Arlan aside them, and him going off into the field alone. A nice passing of the torch sentiment. Hope season 2 comes fairly quickly.
 
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The caveat is (again) that this is the most concise (and probably the best) Westeros story Martin wrote, and they only have two more published stories to work with.

Hell, you could argue that even the material they added to this season doesn't particularly hold up. Egg exercising Thunder? Sure, that addition makes sense, but does Egg practicing being a squire make any sense, if the reason he was headed to the tourney was to serve as Daeron's squire? Maekar fighting through the combat to save Aerion does make sense, but why is he also not concerned about Daeron, his firstborn son and heir?

I'm not sure how I feel about the episode 6 additions. Dunc/Egg do come into conflict with Lyonel, but not until decades later, for actions Aegon does as king - Lyonel being somewhat against Egg from the start doesn't make any sense. And Egg not knowingly transferring to Dunc's service wouldn't necessarily change the narrative in the other published stories (presuming Egg kept his ring), but seems like it would add complications that would come up sooner than later.

Edit: I'm undecided about ghost Arlan at the end. Is this Furious 7? Where's Ser Paul Walker.
 
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Wombat said:
The caveat is (again) that this is the most concise (and probably the best) Westeros story Martin wrote, and they only have two more published stories to work with.

Hell, you could argue that even the material they added to this season doesn't particularly hold up. Egg exercising Thunder? Sure, that addition makes sense, but does Egg practicing being a squire make any sense, if the reason he was headed to the tourney was to serve as Daeron's squire? Maekar fighting through the combat to save Aerion does make sense, but why is he also not concerned about Daeron, his firstborn son and heir?

I'm not sure how I feel about the episode 6 additions. Dunc/Egg do come into conflict with Lyonel, but not until decades later, for actions Aegon does as king - Lyonel being somewhat against Egg from the start doesn't make any sense. And Egg not knowingly transferring to Dunc's service wouldn't necessarily change the narrative in the other published stories (presuming Egg kept his ring), but seems like it would add complications that would come up sooner than later.

Edit: I'm undecided about ghost Arlan at the end. Is this Furious 7? Where's Ser Paul Walker.
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That's not ghost Arlan, that's Arlan's hog legs' ghost!
 
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It was a solid close to the season. I like the ending title of A Knight of the Nine Kingdoms.
Good shit. I look forward to seeing where it goes from here.
 
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