AI: The Rise of the Machines... Or Just a Lot of Overhyped Chatbots?

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There will be a societal divide; can't use AI? get fucked. Got no AI sub? get fucked on, youre a loser.
Something I think about sometimes is that it's very possible the technical people that smugly refuse to use AI today will grudgingly use it in the future and be more generally productive than people who signed up to pioneer AI slop.
 
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There is literally nothing contradictory in what I wrote. If you don't understand what a backup is or is supposed to be, no worries. Not colloquially, like "I got a spare" but actual recoverable data from a fixed point in the past. Production data, or data that can be changed in a live environment, isn't a backup. A backup is something physically/logically distinct from production data.
The certainty of organized and isolated backups is boring. The best backups are the accidental ones created out of laziness. Nuking the database is way more exciting when you only dig yourself out by pulling out that old dev box you've been meaning to scrap that happens to have a new enough backup of your database.
 
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Something I think about sometimes is that it's very possible the technical people that smugly refuse to use AI today will grudgingly use it in the future and be more generally productive than people who signed up to pioneer AI slop.
Is that how it works? Apparently, I'm now the social media and smartphone productivity king!
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Something I think about sometimes is that it's very possible the technical people that smugly refuse to use AI today will grudgingly use it in the future and be more generally productive than people who signed up to pioneer AI slop.
I am this person. I have moved from refusing to use it to building multiple agents to prepare first drafts of work products normally crafted in PowerBI tools as a launch pad to completely replacing those PowerBI tools one day. Well-crafted AI, in some form, will become the interface at some point. There will of course still be hard coded apps forever but more and more it will be easier to make prompt interfaces for users. It's the next step in the Star Trek tech ladder. "Computer!"

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I'm too far down the food chain to really have an opinion. I'm guessing the more AI will have for customers the more work will be done for that stuff and impact people more. My industry can't even get a software package that draws large plate steel structurtes like carbon capture processes, large furnaces, precipitators etc...All but carbon capture being decades old tech, but there's just not enough done. Large new stuff goes overseas where they draw it by hand with lower cost labor. New buildings and plants, lots of options. Plate none. Just nust not enough to warrant the time and money investment I guess.

So few of them are done so there are no standardss like buildings, so engineers tell you do it this way this time which is no good at all next project. We get what is basically a stick drawing from engineers of what it will look like when erected. Doesn't help the person fabricating it all. Maybe one day, but like I said I just don't think the wheel is squeaky enough at this point.
 

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It's 2010. I have a simple application that is business critical but doesn't see much traffic or load. I deploy it to a VM. I would like high availability so I also deploy it to another, passive VM and take advantage of clustering. In the year 2010 we call this redundancy and refer to the passive VM as a backup. But we also take snapshots of the VM at regular intervals (backups in the more literal sense) so we can stand it back up quickly in case of catastrophic failure (both servers go kaput). We don't even really need to have the second VM, because of how virtualization works, we do anyway because of service agreements to ensure 99.9% uptime instead of ~95% uptime.

It's 2026, marketing and corporate greed has changed what words mean. We have CI/CD now! It's amazing. We don't own or manage our own hardware anymore, megalithic corporations do that for us now for a small fee. They have ensured us they are resilient and can stand up new servers for us in the blink of an eye, again, for the right price. Everything is virtualized but we no longer actually take advantage of any of that shit. We have our pipelines deploying to even more always on environments for no fucking reason at all other than we've bought into the grift hook line and sinker. We even keep our disaster recovery environment up at all times now because... standards and best practices or some shit! I don't think we even take snapshots anymore, or at least our cloud provider maybe does? Who knows? One thing is for sure, none of these supposedly identical environments are considered backups, because fuck the English language if it gets in the way of profits.

I don't think you and I are disagreeing on the what, more the how and the why. A lot of times the purpose of a particular type of technology gets lost in the weeds or suppressed because of money.

A VM should be portable, nobody actually uses that portability anymore. Not really.
You can still buy a landline and a pager but no one does that any more because it sucks. You can still buy physical servers and host them yourself but no one does that any more either because it sucks: Maintaining and hosting physical hardware sucks, as much as I love it, because while you are eating cooling and power costs, you get no benefits from that physical ownership. No one is in business to own servers: They are there to sell phones/phone service, oil, cars, cat food, pictures of cats, whatever. It's far cheaper to let specialists do it at scale.

And people do migrate all the time, and its a hell of a lot easier than a DC consolidation move, let me tell you. I have done several and holy shit, that is some of the hardest work I have ever done. I would take a week of two a days over couple of the DC moves. VM migrations are, in fact, easy: You copy data, build VMs, move and test custom code if need be. Give yourself enough lead time and voila, You are migrated. Not nearly that easy but better than having a tractor-trailer show up with a bunch of 1- to 5U servers over multiple days, fibre runs, environmentals, the whole 9 yards.

No one called a passive VM in an active HA pair in 2010 a backup anywhere unless they were just, I don't know: untrained? self-taught? speaking colloquially? The concept is so alien now its hard to remember. In my personal life I have all kinds of backup things. That's just not how the term is used in the IT context because you specifically make a thing called "backups" You don't call something else a backup to prevent confusion, for which you seem wax nostalgic. It was ITIL V3 in 2010. I mean, I guess to someone off the street everything's a rock but to a geologist, that simply isn't true.

This isn't productive since you aren't going to move off your hard-fought position for whatever reason. No one is robbing you of the past. Nothing has changed. Backup is the same term it has always in Corporate IT. IT Professionals never used the term in the way you think but regular people use it that way all the time I guess. "Code-switching" I think the kids call it.
 
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I'm too far down the food chain to really have an opinion. I'm guessing the more AI will have for customers the more work will be done for that stuff and impact people more. My industry can't even get a software package that draws large plate steel structurtes like carbon capture processes, large furnaces, precipitators etc...All but carbon capture being decades old tech, but there's just not enough done. Large new stuff goes overseas where they draw it by hand with lower cost labor. New buildings and plants, lots of options. Plate none. Just nust not enough to warrant the time and money investment I guess.

So few of them are done so there are no standardss like buildings, so engineers tell you do it this way this time which is no good at all next project. We get what is basically a stick drawing from engineers of what it will look like when erected. Doesn't help the person fabricating it all. Maybe one day, but like I said I just don't think the wheel is squeaky enough at this point.
One thing it potentially enables (when it fucking cooperates) is low enough dev time/cost that you don't need mass usage to make a project worthwhile. Literal single-use development is becoming reasonable in some cases.
 
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The certainty of organized and isolated backups is boring. The best backups are the accidental ones created out of laziness. Nuking the database is way more exciting when you only dig yourself out by pulling out that old dev box you've been meaning to scrap that happens to have a new enough backup of your database.
If only you knew how true this was on a number of occasions, and how it has saved us a few times. In my context no one "pulls anything out" but finding a copy of that database in a dev environment with enough prod data, or somewhere they were shipping logs they had forgetten that let us rebuild has been a godsend. This doesn't happen as much any more but in the bad old days of a decade ago, we often barely missed the asteroid enough where I am glad to be in the present.

Also see, the contractor decommissioning the wrong switch and taking down all of [X] and then leaving the datacenter on a Friday afternoon and becoming unreachable and someone have to drive a switch to DC to emergency recover a whole region.
 
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One thing it potentially enables (when it fucking cooperates) is low enough dev time/cost that you don't need mass usage to make a project worthwhile. Literal single-use development is becoming reasonable in some cases.

I can see it being huge further up the line from us. When I talk to the guys (no gals) above us they are always complaining of forms and such for a partner type stuff. My boss/the owner fired a guy for stealing his laptop. Everyone in the company and our comnpetitors said the same thing "He had a laptop?" His daughter gave it to him, not sure it was ever turned on.