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Salieri and Mozart never met. This isn't history, it's just a story. Maybe it's a good story, maybe it's shite. But it sure as shit isn't history.
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To be fair, who doesn't feel like nutting when faced with a display of macarons?
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kroenen
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They actually did meet. Both lived and worked in Vienna at the same time and moved in the same court and opera circles. There’s even a documented collaboration in 1785, when Mozart, Salieri, and Cornetti each contributed music to a cantata.
Mozart also mentions Salieri directly in his letters. In one to his father, he talks about the Italian composers at court (including Salieri) being very friendly to his face, even though court politics could still work against him behind the scenes. That pretty clearly suggests they knew each other and interacted in person.
Later on, the evidence points more toward normal working relations and professional respect rather than rivalry. Salieri attended performances of Mozart’s operas, they appeared at the same court events, and they were able to collaborate without issue.
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I did not realize there was documentation to show they collaborated. Thanks for setting me straight!
There were so many composers and musicians in Vienna at that time. I'm more familiar with the end of the 19th/early 20th centuries. The collective brain power in that city is baffling.
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No problem. It’s called Per la ricuperata salute di Ofelia and is a solo cantata for soprano. Mozart, Salieri, and Cornetti each set portions of the same libretto by Lorenzo Da Ponte. It was long thought lost and was rediscovered in 2015, over 200 years later, which is pretty amazing.
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That is amazing. Where were the manuscripts found? Someone did a deep dive.
Is there evidence that they actually collaborated, or did they each write a section and that was that? I don't know the work, so I don't know the consistency from one movement to another.
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I need to sell off everything and move into a cave in the middle of nowhere with all my guns and ammo. Jesus Christ at these show runners and weimar 2.0
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It was rediscovered in the archives of the Czech Museum of Music in Prague, when the museum digitized its scores and a German musicologist compared the signature on this composition to others in the collection.
All three composers wrote their own sections of the same cantata, so each part reflects their individual style.
It wasn’t a collaborative composition in the sense of jointly writing the same section, but it was definitely performed as a single piece. You will notice some stylistic differences between sections, but it was intended to be a cohesive work for a soprano performance.
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Now I must check it out. Salieri was actually quite derivative for his time in my opinion.
Do you know the name of the German musicologist? I may know this person. It's a small world.
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Interesting. I know him as a composer more than a musicologist.
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