Arkk's Weight Lifting / Fitness Thread

Yeah and if you insist on sports TRT, have a surplus diet and training plan to go with it. It's a waste of fresh receptors to fully saturate on 200mg a week and then not take advantage of that. Your opportunity for maximum transformation and response is your first time maintaining supraphysiological levels of test.

I'd argue, and to Cad's point, that there's no reason to be above 160-175mg unless you are some type of non-responder that poorly metabolizes it (quite a few of these guys). Unless you have a specific goal or plan to take full advantage of that receptor saturation, you'll see the same boost on 160-175mg that you'd get from 200mg. An average guy isn't going to see any difference with an extra 25mg. And docs aren't going to go over 200 unless its an egregious non-responder case backed up by a few test results, so you aren't chasing anything higher than that either.

jayrebb said:

Are you talking about HGH from a clinic? $150 is dirt cheap. A course of Omnitrope is $4,400 for a 3 months. And that is considered a "good" price.

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I could have phrased that better. The Sermorelin program I was looking at would be $150 / month. The reason I stopped looking at HGH is because that was in the thousands. The TRT dose I am on did most of the fixing, now I am working around the edges where it doesn't feel like a waste of money.

Cad said:

Just my $0.02, you don't need any of that crap to start, just get on test and see how it goes for 6 months. Get on a medium dose, I'd say 120-160mg/week. Let that settle in, go to the gym and get some work in, and see how your body responds. Based on what it does you can decide on add-ons.

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Speaking of HGH precursors, I took MK-677 and bulked. Felt full 100% of the time.
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Also, don't fuck with any other peptides until you fix your testosterone. (With the possible exception of a GLP-1 agonist like Reta)

gak said:

Kash needs to put everyone on your stack because somehow there's still 20 million+ of these eluding in plain sight.

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He looks pretty stout, but I don't think any mere mortal is getting juggernaut there in the back of a car.

Stack is simple. 200mg test cyp. Occasional MK-677 for 8 weeks

escrima said:

Stack is simple. 200mg test cyp. Occasional MK-677 for 8 weeks

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How is 200mg treating you (outside of obviously well)? I had bumped up to that once and it seemed to negatively impact my mental health, mainly anxiety. Also doesn't look like an issue, but I felt like I retained more water and was puffier. It was also without any sort of AI so only a month or two as I was paranoid about gyno.

ubiquitrips said:

How is 200mg treating you (outside of obviously well)? I had bumped up to that once and it seemed to negatively impact my mental health, mainly anxiety. Also doesn't look like an issue, but I felt like I retained more water and was puffier. It was also without any sort of AI so only a month or two as I was paranoid about gyno.

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Water logging starts around 250mg with no AI in mostly everyone. Negative sides start a bit over 200mg on average, such as 220mg. Anxiety is common longterm, so you tolerate a few months then come down. Any guy you talk to at the gym on just TRT that isn't living a blast-cruise lifestyle will tell you they are mentally well only in the 100's mg range.

If you wanted to try 200mg again for a longer period of time only thing that can help is x2 week injection protocol, or daily sub-Q injections. This will reduce your spikes and keep your trough values higher so your Free T to E2 ratio is more healthy. This usually can help alleviate potential sides.

ubiquitrips said:

How is 200mg treating you (outside of obviously well)? I had bumped up to that once and it seemed to negatively impact my mental health, mainly anxiety. Also doesn't look like an issue, but I felt like I retained more water and was puffier. It was also without any sort of AI so only a month or two as I was paranoid about gyno.

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How often do you pin? I started 2x a wk and had mild side effects, nipple sensitivity and clogged pores on my shoulders. Changed to every other day, and all side are gone, no longer need anastrazol. Now I microdose daily.

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How often do you pin? I started 2x a wk and had mild side effects, nipple sensitivity and clogged pores on my shoulders. Changed to every other day, and all side are gone, no longer need anastrazol. Now I microdose daily.

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It was a Friday / Monday split of 100mg each. Never tried more frequent than that. Maybe bumping to a 3x / week or every other day is the key if I try again. I don't have much extra to work with unless my prescription overlaps or an extra vial every so often so will have to check the cache.

I didnt mean exceed your weekly dose, just split the injections. EOD is roughly .3 ml. daily is .14-.15

Think or your injections as overlapping sine waves. The more overlapping waves, the more steady your baseline is. the peaks and valleys is where you see side effects, eliminate those and the sides disappear.

I also moved to intramuscular shots because apparently I'm slightly allergic to the linseed oil big pharma uses for Cypionate. SubQ give me massive itchy welts, but I have no problem with small IM shots.