Avengers: Doomsday (2025)

Gravel

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That doesn't sound like a good omen for the movie. Basically they don't think it holds up on its own, with just phase whatever the fuck Marvel bullshit behind it, so we're going to go back 7 years to the last thing that was interesting to support it.

I don't think most movie fans will appreciate it either. Then again, I'm always surprised how people keep eating up this slop.
 
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It’s just going to involve some time travel crap where a version of Tony gets taken out of his timeline somehow and ends up becoming Doom. It’s not really hard to just retcon it in your own head. Or they could’ve just had a 10 minute scene at the beginning to explain it. Cap shows up in some timeline to put a stone back and knocks Tony into some alternate timeline. The time travel and multiverse shit was a mistake.
 

Aldarion

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I don't mind RDJ playing Doom, but having Tony Stark be Doom is fucking stupid. Doom has his own much more interesting backstory.

I guess it was inevitable once they cast RDJ but its still fucking dumb as shit.
 

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The old me would hope any "retcon" isn't really changing the story and just showing something from an angle we didn't see in Endgame. Perhaps lost in the background of that final fight was some X-Men or F4 or someone. They were there but we didn't see them in Endgame. The story and result were the same but maybe the unsnap altered things in a way Ironman didn't foresee.

But today's me fully expects it to be a retarded full retcon of Palpatine lives magnitude and honestly I don't really give a fuck anymore.
 

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When I ponder this situation, I think of the movie Margin Call. Its a great movie, which I highly recommend. In it, one of the core threads is that the company in question deliberately begins the 2008 crash in order to be the first one to sell off its shit positions to ensure the survival of the company. In doing so, it goes scorched earth on all of its customer base and all the traders torch their own careers for a big one time payout. Basically, everyone knows the mountain of bullshit is about to collapse and angles to be among the least affected or even profit from the collapse.

I think that a lot of the people involved in this are behaving in a similar manner. The actors all know its going to fail, so they cash out as big as they can (RDJ foremost among them) and the studio heads behind it are basically going all in because they still get their golden parachutes either way, so may as well aim for the fences one last time. The only real potential casualty here are Disney and their share holders, who are almost certainly going down in flames. This thing simply costs too much money to be successful and the Mouse is not as flush with money anymore for a move like this to be viable long term. If it somehow works, they still have the same issues with aging fan base, woke infestation, and older characters moving on that they have now. So we are seeing a lot of people cashing their chips in and trying to leave the casino before it gets torched by the mob.

If I am Sony, as bad as I have handled the entire Spiderman IP I am doing everything in my power to stop the Mouse from dragging me down by fucking up my characters. I cannot see Sony signing off on killing off Toby SM unless he specifically wants out.
 

Sheriff Cad

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I dunno I'm just hoping for a fun movie, hope they don't fuck it up. Thats about the amount of thought I'm putting into this.
 
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Gavinmad

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I dunno I'm just hoping for a fun movie, hope they don't fuck it up. Thats about the amount of thought I'm putting into this.
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I think everyone involved is being very honest:

Marvel finally realized how badly stomped their Golden Goose now was. We all know the laundry list of issues that led to that point (Covid and the strikes breaking attendance habits, quick streaming service launches meaning there was little point to hitting the theater, a natural exit point in Endgame, Marvel splitting their focus between theatrical and streaming releases, Marvel wanting to reset by bringing in a new generation of characters and not supporting them well with good scripts / casting / directors / etc., Feige's successors not having the same luck* as him, Johnathan Majors' personal life, Multiverses meaning stakes don't matter, the film division copying the disastrous comic era of "Replace all the straight white guys with 'characters' with no personalities of their own other than representation points", etc. etc. etc.)

So Marvel's swinging for the fences, bringing back all the people from the golden age. But those creatives can see how desperate the situation is as well, and had Marvel over a barrel salary-wise; now a movie that had to be a blockbuster to keep the franchise relevant now has to be one of the biggest movies ever to not be a financial disaster on its own. (Not that I am sure that Disney cares if this is net profitable _if_ it brings audiences back to Marvel movies.) But expecting any movie to revive an entire franchise is tough; bringing in a ton of characters and keeping the plot clean is very tough; killing who knows how many of them and not losing their fans is even tougher; doing all of the above while also trying not to ruin 'keystone' moments (apparently Steve Rogers is never in the Cap suit because Falcon has that title, RDJ is 'Doom' because they want Iron Man to be closed. etc.) is a tough fucking ask for anyone - much less the people that last brought us the glory that is The Electric State.

I don't sense that anyone is half-assing it - even last week RDJ was hitting Cinemacon, an industry event that doesn't get stars, just filmed greetings - it's just that the task is so big and so likely to fail** that everyone knows this will likely be a disaster, and none of them will be in a Marvel (or possibly Disney) production in 2028+. Disney gutting the Marvel staff suggests they know what the reality is, after all.

*Not to repeat myself, but just as a reminder: At one point Feige was going to do a Star Wars movie to 'save' that franchise. What an absolute fall from grace.

**Dune 3 keeping the same date as Doomsday isn't the shocker - with the holidays and the January lull, people will have time to see two movies in theaters- but Dune (you know, the movie getting made by a studio that's about to be acquired and has no long term presence on its own) getting all the IMAX screens heavily suggests everyone else in Hollywood already knows how this is turning out as well.
 
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Basically they don't think it holds up on its own, with just phase whatever the fuck Marvel bullshit behind it, so we're going to go back 7 years to the last thing that was interesting to support it.
AND.... "We're going to amend/re-write/retcon part of the 7 year old movie"
 

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If they remove Captain Marvel and the girl power shit from Endgame, then I would consider it a success.
 
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Sheriff Cad

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All they really have to do is just make a comic book movie without woke shit in it and we'll probably all go see it in IMAX.

It's not a big ask, really. I mean what are we going to do, say the plot was stupid? Have we READ comic books? The plots are all stupid. Just don't put fat black chicks on my screen and we're all good.
 
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Mahes

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If they remove Captain Marvel and the girl power shit from Endgame, then I would consider it a success.
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I just hope they get their shit together when they introduce the real super villain.

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