Avengers: Doomsday (2025)

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Forget post-credit scenes, it is telling about the state of the MCU that people are forgetting / didn't see that a Professor X was killed off in the middle of Doctor Strange 2, or that large chunks of Deadpool 3 take place in a world from the Loki TV series.

Real World explanation: Disney bought Fox's production arms in 2019, meaning they could do whatever they want with all of the then Fox* owned movies (X-Men, Daredevil, and Fantastic Four)- and that was to implement a multiverse to jangle keys in front of the audience's eyes for nostalgia.

Edit: For clarity, rights to many Marvel characters like Blade and Ghost Rider reverted to Marvel years ago (when you license out an IP, you have to make a movie with those rights every X (6?) years or the rights return to the original owners), hence Blade's inclusion in Deadpool 3 and Ghost Rider in the Agents of Shield TV series. Off the top of my head, only Sony still retains any Marvel character rights, meaning Sony and Marvel have to sign some sort of agreement to have any Spidey-related characters show up in non-Spidey movies, e.g. Carnage can't show up in Secret Wars.
 
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Absolutely, this has been telegraphed like 2 or 3 separate times.

I'm starting to think comic book movies are too complicated for some.

I guess setting up for the next movie does require paying attention and remembering things.
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Yes they’re too complicated for me. That’s why I don’t remember after credits scenes from movies I DIDNT WATCH. I was asking how they were getting introduced because I haven’t seen any x-men movies or tv shows being released recently.

Stop acting like people are just too dumb to understand things when these movies are so fucking simple that eight year old children can follow them. The fact is that the movies and timelines after Endgame just aren’t very good and that’s why people question things. I get it, you’re a super fan, just be a super fan and stfu with the condescending attitude towards anyone that isn’t.
 
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Yes they’re too complicated for me. That’s why I didn’t remember after credits scenes from movies I DIDNT WATCH. I was asking how they were getting introduced because I haven’t seen any x-men movies or tv shows being released recently.

Stop acting like people are just too dumb to understand things when these movies are so fucking simple that eight year old children can follow them. The fact is that the movies and timelines after Endgame just aren’t very good and that’s why people question things. I get it, you’re a super fan, just be a super fan and stfu with the condescending attitude towards anyone that isn’t.
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I'm not even a super fan. I've criticized the post Endgame MCU as much as anyone else.

I just feel compelled to respond when people say dumb things, across nearly any subject. Its a weakness. if I'm being honest.
 
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I'm not even a super fan. I've criticized the post Endgame MCU as much as anyone else.

I just feel compelled to respond when people say dumb things, across nearly any subject. It’s a weakness. if I'm being honest.
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Like Gavinmad Gavinmad and myself both said, and you ignored, people didn’t see those scenes because people didn’t watch those movies. I’m not even sure which movies those credits were in because I never saw them. If I did happen to see them (probably not, skipped a lot since endgame) the movies were probably so forgettable that I just forgot. Forgetting a 15 second after credits scene from a movie that you didn’t care much about isn’t dumb, it’s just…forgetting.
 
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I always kind of figured Mads Mickelson or however you spell his name would have been a good doctor doom, but I guess they pissed him away on the first Doctor strange movie.
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His brother (plays and voices Thrawn) would have been a great choice, imo. Doom is the "Hitler did nothing wrong" kind of villian who needs to demonstrate a level of control and menace that makes audiences understand him. You also need someone who will sit behind a mask for most of the movie. Too bad Urban got used on Ragnarok, because I think he would have made a great Von Doom as well. Other good choices might have been Pierce Brosnon or Cranston if you wanted an older Doom. Maybe Peter Capaldi or Cillian Murphy if you could deal with their off screen baggage. I could see Collin Farrel really nailing it, if the writing was up to task.

But I have zero confidence that the writing is going to be up to the challenge. It never has been for Doom in other media. They should have made Doom 2099 instead. This is just a desperate gasp at cashing in on memberries, but dumping a truck of money on RDJ again.
 
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My big take away from this is it's funny how much heavy lifting that Marvel has relied on from post credit scenes for continuity. You know, the parts that aren't even actually in the movie itself.

If they didn't have these scenes that most people could have missed entirely, would anyone be lauding the MCU story building as much as they did? If anything, it seems like it speaks to lazy writing.
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Ah yes, we must be stupid for not remembering a post credits scene for a movie that nobody fucking watched.
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What I said not even two weeks ago. If your entire continuity between movies is fucking 30 second snippets that occur after the movie, is it even continuity anymore? Seems like lazy writing at best.
 
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Thats fair but its how they've always done it. Starting with Thanos and just about everything since.

Honestly I've never been a fan of the post credits scene as preview, but its as much as signature of the MCU as rapid fire witty banter.
 
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Some X-men are going to be in this? How did that happen?
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As mentioned, they've been exposing them mostly through post credits scene and the fact that the Deadpool movies take place in the same "universe" as the Fox X-men.

Story reason is that Doomsday supposedly leads into Secret Wars which was one of the Marvel Comic universes "rectifying all these idiotic timelines" events and they probably want to do the same here.

Business reason? They need to officially kill off all the older or unwanted versions of the characters "in universe" to make way for the reboot and recasting. Current rumors say they're in the movie for a very brief span of time at the beginning and don't end up surviving it (outside Deadpool apparently). This on top of leveraging this as a story device mechanic to clean out the MCU, recast what they need, reset what they need, and try to get back to a product people will give 2 shits about again. (i.e. "Let's see if we can re-catch that lightning in the bottle")

Whereas I will be day 1 watching the new Spiderman flick, there's a very good chance this will be a "caught on VOD or the high seas" movie for me unless they really pull a rabbit out of the hat with the trailer and lead up marketing.
 
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The most petty thing they could do is include a 30 second Easter egg where the Agents of Shield universe gets ultra deleted

But that would require that they ever acknowledge AoS lol
 
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Aldarion said:
Thats fair but its how they've always done it. Starting with Thanos and just about everything since.

Honestly I've never been a fan of the post credits scene as preview, but its as much as signature of the MCU as rapid fire witty banter.
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You're being disingenuous. It's not "how it's always been," the MCU movies leading up to Infinity War all typically had short stingers at the end, but many also had other references directly in the movies themselves, often talking about the Stones, Thanos, Tony's vision(s), etc. Those movies in phases 1-3 absolutely had a followable thread leading to Thanos and the Stones, even if you ignore post-credit stingers.

One 15 second stinger at the end of one of the worst Phase 4/5 MCU movies is not "how it's always been." There is no followable thread leading to any X-men in the MCU.

You are trying really hard lately, and whiffing more often than usual, to the point where sometimes you're just completely off base making nonsensical assertions as if they are obviously true and everyone's retarded for not understanding it Example here. I feel like your schtick landed more often than this in the past, but maybe I'm misremembering.
 
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Like I said, its at least 3. Not "one 15 second stinger". I don't know why a few of you are so fixated on this point. Look, most of the MCU post endgame has sucked. Doom is just as likely to suck. Modern MCU sucks at building up a good story. All of that is true.

None of that means that X-men showing up is unannounced or Doom has no buildup or any of the other just obviously wrong statements that have been made in this thread. I'm not gonna stop pointing out bullshit just cause a couple anonymous posters disagree with me.

I'd be happy to review your posting style too if you can point me to the appropriate thread for it
 
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I think one of the problems with the stingers and post credits post-IW is that we've rarely had any payoff. Maybe that changes with Doom but we'll see.

In phases 1-3 the stingers almost always led directly into the next movie. Thor's hammer and Capt Marvel's pager being two obvious examples. They also tied the current movie into the infinity stone plot.

Phase 4+ stingers have had almost no payoff:
Shang Chi's sister taking over the 10rings
Eros, Pip, Black Knight and Blade
Venom symbiote left behind
Charlize and Strange teaming up
Zeus and Hercules
Kang (although we know why that's been pruned)

None of those have had any follow up since. If they all show up in Doom in a logical manner maybe we'll forget the disjointedness of this era but that feels like a big ask for a movie with basically only F4 directly leading into it.
 
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Goatface said:
Wonder

Wonder how many snappy one liners doom will get
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