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Tuco

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BTC:CryptographicCurrency::CueCat:BarcodeNavigatio n.

Even though the cue cat was a failure, barcode navigation is still a big deal.
 

Tea_sl

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I've always maintained cryptocurrency could be a thing down the road, it's just that every current implementation is really fucking awful.
 

Tea_sl

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What's your heartache with BTC?
Nearly everything. Starting with coin creation from working through transactions to core issues with the protocol.

First is how coins are created. It's a lottery. Because that's how I want my currency to be created by a fucking lottery. Not only is it a lottery, but it's a lottery wherein it pays out less and less despite more and more energy going into the system and thus creates a distribution of wealth that Russian oligarchs would be ashamed of. But, Tea, you get more tickets to that lottery based on how much you contribute to the network thereby securing the network from attack! Great except you secure the network by literally wasting energy. The whole thing is enormously inefficient, which some people will say is the nature of a decentralized system vs a centralized one. It's trading efficiency for distributed control. There's definitely truth in that, but it doesn't have to be as jarringly inefficient as every cryptocurrency currently is. Which isn't even the biggest problem with how the network secured because your contribution not only determines the number of lottery tickets you get, but how big your vote is. So, you have a psuedo-democratic system with disproportionate payout that has a positive feedback loop wherein the top get to make the rules and those at the bottom have no power. Not only that, but go to basically any bitcoin forum from reddit to bitcointalk and you'll see that the majority who has control of protocol also have essentially zero understanding of economics. Because the people who I want controlling how my currency works are the guys who think a deflationary currency is a good thing. It's a god damn disaster. The most telling thing is that the biggest proponents rightly recognize that the current system does many of the same things and is all around sort of awful. Their solution is not to balance the system but make a new one, where they can be on top, which is in no small part why they never will be.

Then we move on to transactions and blockchain. 10 minute transaction windows are laughable. The transaction limit as it currently stands is laughable, but that could actually be fixed, but not without bloating the blockchain. Now in order to fix that you can actually prune the blockchain to get around the bloat if you have a trusted central authority, which is in no way open to abuse on your top down distributed network. No sir. Even all of this is still ignoring the complete lack of consumer protections, which is actually a good thing because... I have no idea.

These aren't even the most daunting errors because right now cryptocurrencies don't actually fix most the problems they claim to. Low fees? The fees are lowish because the backend security of companies actually doing exchanges is egregiously bad, and they're running on cargo cult infrastructure. One of the few places where BTC actually offers an advantage is in international transfers, which it does quicker and cheaper than the current system right now if you manage to exchange money-BTC-BTC-money in widely divergent places and circumstances. Except this isn't an inherent advantage of cryptocurrencies, but a result of a pretty shitty international banking infrastructure and market forces. If there were actual market pressure than the current systems could be upgraded to be as quick and cost effective as BTC is, but it's a tiny fucking market. The largest group of people transferring cash internationally are immigrants sending remittances, which don't use the conventional banking system that much anyway.

The #1 problem though is it's built on SHA-256. Encryption works right up to the point where it's broken. Maybe SHA-256 will never be cracked, but building an entire currency on an awfully big maybe strikes me as the worst idea in a bunch of bad bitcoin ideas.



He didn't get in on it.
Also because the community is insufferable.


Also, also fuck effort posting.
 

Creslin

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Transfering cash internationally actually isn't that bad anymore, unless you are using like western union who is gonna rape you for 10+% you can find tons of banks that will do it for 15.-3% or sometimes even free. I am living in the UK now and all my money is still in USD, so I got pretty good at minimizing the fees, I bet I pay about 1% in fees on average. BTC is maybe marginally cheaper, but not by nearly enough to justify the loss in security and convenience the real banking system offers.

None of that matters though because a deflationary currency will never work.
 

Dabamf_sl

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I've been following btc daily since January and it's been flying up lately, after an equally quick drop from 660 to 4xx. Any ideas about the reason? I assumed the drop was a delayed correction after the bubble, but now its right back up to post-bubble value.
 

Tuco

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There hasn't been huge news preceding the increase in price, but technical indicators were fairly strong right at the hike. The best news for BTC is generally in the form of corporations announcing that they're accepting BTC (Recently Dish network announced they'll accept BTC!http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0E911T20140529) but this can actually cause downward pressure on BTC price because these companies often take BTC from the community and immediately sell it for USD.

It's only when companies like overstock begin holding BTC and look for other companies to accept it from them that the currency circle jerk can perpetuate, causing people to want to purchase, hold and receive BTC and increasing its price at a fundamental level. However the major forces on BTC are still (and will probably always be) from speculation.
 

Tuco

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You're right, every investment vehicle is driven by speculation. I'm not educated enough to really describe the speculatory difference between a very untested currency like BTC and USD or shares in GE.

Cryptocurrency is here to stay, and it's just a question of adoption rate and which cryptocurrency will be used. BTC is currently leading but may fail for the reasons Tea listed. The adoption rate can be measured in number of active holders of BTC, number of businesses that accept BTC as payment and the amount of BTC trading hands every day (Which is a little misleading because the vast majority of BTC transfers are basically USD -> BTC -> USD).
 

Gadrel_sl

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Considering the amount of market movement by players which either have way more information than the average investor, or by split second automated trading software, I would venture that speculating in BTC is probably safer and fairer than investing in blue chips like GE.
 

Loser Araysar

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Guys, I'm ready to start mining BTC. Am I too late? And if not, where do I start?
 

Tuco

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So I'm storing some guys scat porn while he is storing my banking info all in a decentralized encrypted format. I don't like being a reactionist Luddite but no thx :/
 

Mist

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It's basically turning the entire Internet into TOR nodes. How is that a new idea?
 

The Master

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It's basically turning the entire Internet into TOR nodes. How is that a new idea?
It isn't especially. The difference is they appear to have made money off of it and the first guy to make money off an idea usually ends up doing quite a bit to shape things. I just meant it was relevant because of the cryptocurrency angle they implemented.