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I’m sure there are plenty of other channels that go into this stuff, but in line with the recent discussion. There are a few spots where brakes are specifically talked about. Might be mixing it up a bit with the similar vids on a lucid air he’s working on as well.

Does 'tiresome' give a neg? if so I'll change. I didn't realize , well never even thought about , that those e-cars/trucks are drivable ipads. That is beyond fucked up. I'm mad because my truck had to go to the dealer for a damn battery and this is just crazy.
My brother leases cars which also does not make sense to me, but he has an electric KIA (Iconic 9 or something) and was telling me about having to get special insurance in case they have a flat tire as you cannot change them?

Seems like ICE or electric, you are fucked.

The guy on here going to school for this stuff, Kirun Kirun , are you going to school to program these cars or to work on them? and what is a modern mechanic other than a parts swapper? If it wasn't you I apologize, I @'d someone who got real butthurt about it.
 

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EVs are not going to be good for mechanics. They have like 30 moving parts in the drivetrain vs. 2000 in an ICE car. Other than suspension and steering there's not much to work on mechanically.
 

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EVs are not going to be good for mechanics. They have like 30 moving parts in the drivetrain vs. 2000 in an ICE car. Other than suspension and steering there's not much to work on mechanically.
yeah understood, I was referencing that video where they spend 45 minutes trying to fix the ebrake. admittedly I didn't watch it all but that's fucked up.
 

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EVs are not going to be good for mechanics. They have like 30 moving parts in the drivetrain vs. 2000 in an ICE car. Other than suspension and steering there's not much to work on mechanically.
EV's are dead for 3rd party mechanics. As the video above proves, an ebrake problem has left them stranded for months and they still have no fix. For an EBRAKE.

Computers + ICE are already becoming too much for factory techs to handle. EV's which are stacks and stack of computers are going to be off limits for anyone not factory....and even off limits for factory techs.

I know someone that bought an F150 work truck 2020 or so. Base model, nothing on it. It had various software issues and it went in for a fix shortly after he got it. No one could fix it at the FORD dealership he got it from, so they shipped it to a different FORD dealership. No fix. Months and months went by, and he went to check in on it. Parts were thrown in the bed and back seat. Who knows how many missing parts it had + a ruined interior on a NEW truck. FORD kept trying to fuck him on Lemon Law by saying no parts were available. In some states, Lemon Law gets kicked down the road when there are no parts to fix it.

He eventually got his money back and had to fight for fair use, too. FORD tried to fuck him on all the time it spent in their lots. In some states, Lemon Law payout only applies to the value of the vehicle after use at current market value. So even if Lemon Law'd you can still end up eating a fuckton of cash on a vehicle that was broken in the first place UNLESS you can pony up cash for a real lawyer.
 

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EV's are dead for 3rd party mechanics. As the video above proves, an ebrake problem has left them stranded for months and they still have no fix. For an EBRAKE.

Computers + ICE are already becoming too much for factory techs to handle. EV's which are stacks and stack of computers are going to be off limits for anyone not factory....and even off limits for factory techs.

I know someone that bought an F150 work truck 2020 or so. Base model, nothing on it. It had various software issues and it went in for a fix shortly after he got it. No one could fix it at the FORD dealership he got it from, so they shipped it to a different FORD dealership. No fix. Months and months went by, and he went to check in on it. Parts were thrown in the bed and back seat. Who knows how many missing parts it had + a ruined interior on a NEW truck. FORD kept trying to fuck him on Lemon Law by saying no parts were available. In some states, Lemon Law gets kicked down the road when there are no parts to fix it.

He eventually got his money back and had to fight for fair use, too. FORD tried to fuck him on all the time it spent in their lots. In some states, Lemon Law payout only applies to the value of the vehicle after use at current market value. So even if Lemon Law'd you can still end up eating a fuckton of cash on a vehicle that was broken in the first place UNLESS you can pony up cash for a real lawyer.
I'm running into this shit everywhere. This shit is just too complex for the techs to figure out. Maybe training will get better, but all the middle aged guys that started out changing oil and worked their way up to spark plugs and swapping starters and alternators and finally got up to doing timing belts have no chance.
 

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EV's are dead for 3rd party mechanics. As the video above proves, an ebrake problem has left them stranded for months and they still have no fix. For an EBRAKE.

Computers + ICE are already becoming too much for factory techs to handle. EV's which are stacks and stack of computers are going to be off limits for anyone not factory....and even off limits for factory techs.

I know someone that bought an F150 work truck 2020 or so. Base model, nothing on it. It had various software issues and it went in for a fix shortly after he got it. No one could fix it at the FORD dealership he got it from, so they shipped it to a different FORD dealership. No fix. Months and months went by, and he went to check in on it. Parts were thrown in the bed and back seat. Who knows how many missing parts it had + a ruined interior on a NEW truck. FORD kept trying to fuck him on Lemon Law by saying no parts were available. In some states, Lemon Law gets kicked down the road when there are no parts to fix it.

He eventually got his money back and had to fight for fair use, too. FORD tried to fuck him on all the time it spent in their lots. In some states, Lemon Law payout only applies to the value of the vehicle after use at current market value. So even if Lemon Law'd you can still end up eating a fuckton of cash on a vehicle that was broken in the first place UNLESS you can pony up cash for a real lawyer.
Man, that’s grounds for going postal.
 

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The guy on here going to school for this stuff, Kirun Kirun , are you going to school to program these cars or to work on them? and what is a modern mechanic other than a parts swapper? If it wasn't you I apologize, I @'d someone who got real butthurt about it.
Nope, it was me. Although I'm not entirely sure what I was supposedly "butthurt" about. Maybe that's just your interpretation?

I spent the last 17 years of my life working in and around the logistics industry. Everything from Inventory Control management to picking and packing when I was younger, freight control, domestic and international transportation (particularly during COVID), Operations Management, etc. The thing is, logistics was never a career I actually chose. I started young, around 23, unloading trailers and moving freight for UPS. I was competent, worked hard, and gradually worked my way up through various companies and positions.

The industry was "fine", but I was never particularly drawn to it and just kind of worked my way up out of necessity. Then COVID hit, and the industry essentially did a complete 180. People stopped showing up for work, on-time shipments became a fucking nightmare, inventory was perpetually out of whack, and dealing with line-haul drivers became increasingly difficult. Between language barriers (line-haul drivers are like 85% Pajeets or Eastern European now), communication issues, and an industry that was already stretched beyond its limits, everything became an uphill battle. It was a fucking nightmare.

Needless to say, the last five-plus years of that experience took a massive toll on me. My relationships with friends, family, and my wife all suffered. I became a bitter, grumpy asshole, and the industry was genuinely starting to consume my mental well-being. The worst part was that this wasn't even a career I had any particular interest in pursuing. I simply fell into it, developed my skill set out of necessity, and continued climbing the ladder because I needed to support myself and take care of my sick mother before she passed away. There was never some grand ambition to spend my life in logistics. I was just good at it, and it paid the bills. Eventually, I became incredibly resentful of the entire industry and wanted out. Completely.

Fortunately, I had managed to accumulate around $155,000 in savings, stocks, and other investments over the years. So I sat down with my wife and laid out a plan. I wanted to pursue a degree in Transportation Technologies (essentially Automotive Technology/Technician), spend at least a couple of years working in the field as a good old-fashioned "wrench turner", and then potentially transition into Automotive Engineering if I found that I didn't particularly enjoy the hands-on side of things.

There were a couple of reasons for that. First, I wanted actual experience working on the things I might eventually be designing. One of my biggest criticisms of modern automotive engineering is that the people designing these vehicles often have very little practical experience maintaining or repairing them. It's one thing to design something that works on paper; it's another to design something that a technician can reasonably diagnose, access, and repair without wanting to put their head through a fucking wall.

Second, I know myself. I'm an incredibly curious person, and once I've mastered something, I tend to get restless and start looking for the next challenge. Engineering would potentially give me that opportunity down the road. But there's also a very real possibility that I'll absolutely love the hands-on work and never feel the need to transition. You can make excellent money as a Master Technician, and there's nothing wrong with spending the rest of my working life doing something I genuinely enjoy.

I also spent a considerable amount of time researching different career paths, specifically looking for something that was relatively resistant to automation and AI while still being something I could genuinely envision myself doing for the next 20 years or so. Ultimately, I wanted a career that I had deliberately chosen, rather than one I had simply stumbled into and spent the better part of two decades pursuing out of necessity. So, I decided to go to technical school last year and "start over" at 41 - we'll see how it goes, but so far I fucking love it and wish I had done it 15 years ago (but likely wouldn't have been as successful at the schooling part, nor was I financially ready/wise enough yet).

Now, as for your comment about what constitutes a "modern mechanic" versus a "parts swapper," I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. Maybe you should ask some of the instructors who have been working in this industry for 40-plus years. Virtually every one of them will tell you that vehicles were considerably easier to work on back in "their day". And that's not necessarily because older vehicles were inherently better; it's because modern vehicles have exponentially more systems, sensors, electronics, modules, and potential points of failure. The technical knowledge required to properly diagnose and repair them has increased substantially. This whole boomer mentality of "it was older, therefore it was better" gets pretty fucking tiresome.

Do we replace components rather than repair individual internal parts? Of course we do. But there's a distinction between being a parts swapper and understanding when component replacement is the most logical, economical, and efficient repair.

For example, why the fuck would I spend an hour disassembling a starter to diagnose and repair an individual solenoid, only to save myself $30, when I can replace the entire starter for $60? Especially when my labor, time, and the customer's time are worth considerably more than the difference? That's not a lack of mechanical knowledge. That's understanding economics, efficiency, and the practical realities of automotive repair. Knowing how something works, knowing how to diagnose what's wrong with it, and knowing when it makes more sense to replace an assembly rather than rebuild an individual component are all part of being a competent technician. They're not mutually exclusive skills.
 
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Man, that’s grounds for going postal.
Oh, it gets worse.

A friend bought a Lucid. They went on a road trip in it, and first thing it did was refuse to charge, then they found a charger that would work, and the car fucking locked them out. Lucid tech had to remote unlock it. Then...a day later it straight up died. Literally out in the middle of CornStalkVille. Lucid customer support M-F only. It died on a Saturday.

On top of that, it didn't work at all. Phones wouldn't connect. Frequent crashes on the display. Always had to fiddle with something to get it going. Shit they don't tell you on YT videos. She had problems with it daily. They also tried to fuck her on buy back Lemon Law.

She has a bunch of cars, and some iffy, and open about them all....but quiet about the Lucid it made her so mad.
 

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Oh, it gets worse.

A friend bought a Lucid. They went on a road trip in it, and first thing it did was refuse to charge, then they found a charger that would work, and the car fucking locked them out. Lucid tech had to remote unlock it. Then...a day later it straight up died. Literally out in the middle of CornStalkVille. Lucid customer support M-F only. It died on a Saturday.

On top of that, it didn't work at all. Phones wouldn't connect. Frequent crashes on the display. Always had to fiddle with something to get it going. Shit they don't tell you on YT videos. She had problems with it daily. They also tried to fuck her on buy back Lemon Law.

She has a bunch of cars, and some iffy, and open about them all....but quiet about the Lucid it made her so mad.
I’ve heard from multiple sources that brand has problems.
 

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Man, that’s grounds for going postal.
Be me, my wife has a 2018 Chevy Traverse that she LOVES. I hate the fucking thing. But she tells me all the time how she loves it. The AC stops working , we are in the Mohave desert so that's not good. Take it to the dealer , $1700 to fix. It's an SUV and has this very elaborate ac system in the back where there are all these parts and pieces.
Then it stops working again, back to the dealer , more $$$
Then it stops working again. This time I've raised so much hell I take it to another garage, I'm going to get them to fix it and sue the fucking dealer for the cost. Even if it's costs more than the work. I'm that mad.
The dealer service rep we dealt with offers to pick up the Traverse, take it to Las Vegas, have them figure it out , and give my wife a loaner all at no cost. We were at the other garage when they called and offered that so we do that. A month later, the Las Vegas dealer realizes there is a pinhole leak in the air exchanger behind the dash and basically rebuilds the inside of the front of the car (was never the back). Not sure how much of the $$$ I spent was needed but now her AC works correctly.
 

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Nope, it was me. Although I'm not entirely sure what I was supposedly "butthurt" about. Maybe that's just your interpretation?

I spent the last 17 years of my life working in and around the logistics industry. Everything from Inventory Control management to picking and packing when I was younger, freight control, domestic and international transportation (particularly during COVID), Operations Management, etc. The thing is, logistics was never a career I actually chose. I started young, around 23, unloading trailers and moving freight for UPS. I was competent, worked hard, and gradually worked my way up through various companies and positions.

The industry was "fine", but I was never particularly drawn to it and just kind of worked my way up out of necessity. Then COVID hit, and the industry essentially did a complete 180. People stopped showing up for work, on-time shipments became a fucking nightmare, inventory was perpetually out of whack, and dealing with line-haul drivers became increasingly difficult. Between language barriers (line-haul drivers are like 85% Pajeets or Eastern European now), communication issues, and an industry that was already stretched beyond its limits, everything became an uphill battle. It was a fucking nightmare.

Needless to say, the last five-plus years of that experience took a massive toll on me. My relationships with friends, family, and my wife all suffered. I became a bitter, grumpy asshole, and the industry was genuinely starting to consume my mental well-being. The worst part was that this wasn't even a career I had any particular interest in pursuing. I simply fell into it, developed my skill set out of necessity, and continued climbing the ladder because I needed to support myself and take care of my sick mother before she passed away. There was never some grand ambition to spend my life in logistics. I was just good at it, and it paid the bills. Eventually, I became incredibly resentful of the entire industry and wanted out. Completely.

Fortunately, I had managed to accumulate around $155,000 in savings, stocks, and other investments over the years. So I sat down with my wife and laid out a plan. I wanted to pursue a degree in Transportation Technologies (essentially Automotive Technology/Technician), spend at least a couple of years working in the field as a good old-fashioned "wrench turner", and then potentially transition into Automotive Engineering if I found that I didn't particularly enjoy the hands-on side of things.

There were a couple of reasons for that. First, I wanted actual experience working on the things I might eventually be designing. One of my biggest criticisms of modern automotive engineering is that the people designing these vehicles often have very little practical experience maintaining or repairing them. It's one thing to design something that works on paper; it's another to design something that a technician can reasonably diagnose, access, and repair without wanting to put their head through a fucking wall.

Second, I know myself. I'm an incredibly curious person, and once I've mastered something, I tend to get restless and start looking for the next challenge. Engineering would potentially give me that opportunity down the road. But there's also a very real possibility that I'll absolutely love the hands-on work and never feel the need to transition. You can make excellent money as a Master Technician, and there's nothing wrong with spending the rest of my working life doing something I genuinely enjoy.

I also spent a considerable amount of time researching different career paths, specifically looking for something that was relatively resistant to automation and AI while still being something I could genuinely envision myself doing for the next 20 years or so. Ultimately, I wanted a career that I had deliberately chosen, rather than one I had simply stumbled into and spent the better part of two decades pursuing out of necessity. So, I decided to go to technical school last year and "start over" at 41 - we'll see how it goes, but so far I fucking love it and wish I had done it 15 years ago (but likely wouldn't have been as successful at the schooling part, nor was I financially ready/wise enough yet).

Now, as for your comment about what constitutes a "modern mechanic" versus a "parts swapper," I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at. Maybe you should ask some of the instructors who have been working in this industry for 40-plus years. Virtually every one of them will tell you that vehicles were considerably easier to work on back in "their day". And that's not necessarily because older vehicles were inherently better; it's because modern vehicles have exponentially more systems, sensors, electronics, modules, and potential points of failure. The technical knowledge required to properly diagnose and repair them has increased substantially. This whole boomer mentality of "it was older, therefore it was better" gets pretty fucking tiresome.

Do we replace components rather than repair individual internal parts? Of course we do. But there's a distinction between being a parts swapper and understanding when component replacement is the most logical, economical, and efficient repair.

For example, why the fuck would I spend an hour disassembling a starter to diagnose and repair an individual solenoid, only to save myself $30, when I can replace the entire starter for $60? Especially when my labor, time, and the customer's time are worth considerably more than the difference? That's not a lack of mechanical knowledge. That's understanding economics, efficiency, and the practical realities of automotive repair. Knowing how something works, knowing how to diagnose what's wrong with it, and knowing when it makes more sense to replace an assembly rather than rebuild an individual component are all part of being a competent technician. They're not mutually exclusive skills.
glad i got the right person, the butthurt comment was in reference to someone else on here that didn't have a sense of humor.
That's a right wall of text there. Looks like you're going into the career from the start so my ??? may not apply.
Plus I read your comments on gaming and NFL , what do you mean you were 'turning' into a grumpy asshole ;)
 

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I’ve heard from multiple sources that brand has problems.
Well my made in San Antonio Texas Toyota Tundra was a tank and ran as good as it did new when I traded it in with 280,000 miles (I maintained it exactly as described in the owners manual up to and including ordering the Japanese spark plugs).
I traded it in for a loaded Mexican made 2021 Chevy Silverado LTZ (whatever that means). Brand new. I was driving from my home to Las Vegas and Back (about 130 miles round trip + whatever sites/meetings I had to go to) so I need something reliable. First month or so I had to break the engine in per the owners manual don't exceed 55mph, sucked but ok.
Then when the engine is broken in, I leave to go home and get errors , and limp home mode. Made it home The truck was nice enough to email and text me that it had a problem for whatever reason. Dealer basically reset it.
Then since the engine is now broke in and I can do 80mph I'm getting this loud noise above 60. Take it to the dealer, the mechanic half asses it and I raise enough hell that the manager rides with me and hears it too. Turns out the assemblers installed the wheel well linings backwards. That gets fixed. I had another issue to that I cannot remember but the point is this is a brand new vehicle and it's only half assembled.
I own it outright so I'm driving it and I don't drive nearly as much but I'll tell you this, I won't buy another. If Toyota hadn't of fucked up the Tundra redesign and offered anything except that damn twin turbo V6 I'd have one now.
 
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