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Had a 386/486 for years. None of my motherboards lookes near that nice.
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M8SBC-486 (Homebrew 486 computer) [Back to the homebrew computers page] The M8SBC-486 is a 486 homebrew computer motherboard made from scratch. From the schematic and PCB to the chipset! It is not based on existing designs, but rather on my experience with my previous experimental 486 homebrew...
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M8SBC-486 (Homebrew 486 computer) [Back to the homebrew computers page] The M8SBC-486 is a 486 homebrew computer motherboard made from scratch. From the schematic and PCB to the chipset! It is not based on existing designs, but rather on my experience with my previous experimental 486 homebrew...
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I bought 2 2tb WD blue NVME a few weeks ago for $130ea. Same things are now $330.
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I finally stopped talking about it and bought a 2TB SSD - Samsung 870 EVO which would have been $150ish a few months ago, for $250 new on Amazon. My decision to pull the trigger was that with Xmas gift cards and the refund on my chair I had a negative Amazon balance this month. Lame excuse but true. Gonna put it in my Gaming PC and try Bazzite.
 
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M8SBC-486 (Homebrew 486 computer) - maniek86.xyz

M8SBC-486 (Homebrew 486 computer) [Back to the homebrew computers page] The M8SBC-486 is a 486 homebrew computer motherboard made from scratch. From the schematic and PCB to the chipset! It is not based on existing designs, but rather on my experience with my previous experimental 486 homebrew...
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My first 'PC' (IBM compatible) was a Packard Hell Pentium 90, fastest thing on the market for about 6 months.
 
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TLDW: Corsair does a shitty job at jumping on the AI bandwagon and fucking over consumers at the same time.

I'm starting to rationalize at what price point does a gaming PC start to rival other regular hobbies. As in a mid-tier PC every ~5 years, electricity costs, and obviously video games themselves. I think I arrived at $10k for the PC, double it over the same 5 years for the electricity and video games.

I hate that I'm thinking this way. Because we know even after this shit unfucks itself, memory prices ain't going back down. Video cards didn't after bitcoin and covid. And utilities are almost more monopolistic, so they're definitely not going down even if datacenter demand magically disappears.
 
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I'm starting to rationalize at what price point does a gaming PC start to rival other regular hobbies.
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No idea what other hobbies look like, but you've just gotta stop pegging your pc prices against something sane, like your income. Try something like "1 nice pc = 1 decent used car and I use my pc way more than my car" or maybe "my pc only cost 5% of what my house did, and my house can't even play cyberpunk"? And don't forget the addon benefits, "my pc helps reduce my heating bill!"
 
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The memory shortage is "expected" to be relieved two years from now (now, being the beginning of 2026). Micron's building a new fab in New York, with two more on the way. SK Hynix created an entire line to HBM to clarify production and retool, again, its consumer line from HMB down (unlikely, but we'll see). Samsung reorganized its plans for its newest fab that was halted/cancelled, and is now on its way to being finished. We have ChangXin that secured its startup costs (mostly from China itself) - which its unknown if, by the time it hits production, will allocate sale to the US. HP is in talks to secure a new fab in Europe. Asus, which stated its not going to create a fab is likely to reconsider it as investors are pressuring them to do.

As far as inflation goes, federal sources state that cumulative inflation is roughly 25% since 2020. Where as private sources believe it to be closer to 40%-50% since 2020 (which Im inclined to believe more). The same DDR5 I bought in 2020 for $145 is now $230. Thats what, 63%? 13-23% increase due to demand isnt as bad as it seems when you account for inflation and the effects of inflation on the remaining percentage.

Justifying the cost is one thing, and looking to the future is another - but that doesnt do much for the problem at hand, now. I think you should hold off on purchasing anything related to wafer production for as long as you can. As we're likely to hit another breakthrough in technology, now that the production focus has switched to HBM. (Or in other words, HBM production will likely saturate eventually and we, as consumers, will likely reap the benefits of that somehow.)

But that isnt to say that ram prices will get any cheaper at some point. As inflation continues to eat away at the dollar (reports of inflation stabilizing, not deflation) - it'll likely be more expensive as time goes. We have to remember that computer parts were in the thousands 20 years ago and as history repeats, we just have to wait on the pendulum to swing back in the other direction.

TL;DR - shit isnt going to get any better. If you need RAM now, buy it now. If you're comparing computers to cars or house payments, you're likely looking at building a computer thats too expensive. My computers value went up since Ive built it, which to me, is unheard of. Its the most powerful computer for the time, that I've ever had. But if Im being honest, after having it - its a complete waste of money. Playing CP2077 at max mod settings was neat for all of 5 minutes. As the most demanding thing that I routinely do on it now is play multiple copies of MNM on two monitors, one monitor for video's, and one monitor for web scrolling (4 monitors simultaneously).
 
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The memory shortage is "expected" to be relieved two years from now (now, being the beginning of 2026). Micron's building a new fab in New York, with two more on the way. SK Hynix created an entire line to HBM to clarify production and retool, again, its consumer line from HMB down (unlikely, but we'll see). Samsung reorganized its plans for its newest fab that was halted/cancelled, and is now on its way to being finished. We have ChangXin that secured its startup costs (mostly from China itself) - which its unknown if, by the time it hits production, will allocate sale to the US. HP is in talks to secure a new fab in Europe. Asus, which stated its not going to create a fab is likely to reconsider it as investors are pressuring them to do.

As far as inflation goes, federal sources state that cumulative inflation is roughly 25% since 2020. Where as private sources believe it to be closer to 40%-50% since 2020 (which Im inclined to believe more). The same DDR5 I bought in 2020 for $145 is now $230. Thats what, 63%? 13-23% increase due to demand isnt as bad as it seems when you account for inflation and the effects of inflation on the remaining percentage.

Justifying the cost is one thing, and looking to the future is another - but that doesnt do much for the problem at hand, now. I think you should hold off on purchasing anything related to wafer production for as long as you can. As we're likely to hit another breakthrough in technology, now that the production focus has switched to HBM. (Or in other words, HBM production will likely saturate eventually and we, as consumers, will likely reap the benefits of that somehow.)

But that isnt to say that ram prices will get any cheaper at some point. As inflation continues to eat away at the dollar (reports of inflation stabilizing, not deflation) - it'll likely be more expensive as time goes. We have to remember that computer parts were in the thousands 20 years ago and as history repeats, we just have to wait on the pendulum to swing back in the other direction.

TL;DR - shit isnt going to get any better. If you need RAM now, buy it now. If you're comparing computers to cars or house payments, you're likely looking at building a computer thats too expensive. My computers value went up since Ive built it, which to me, is unheard of. Its the most powerful computer for the time, that I've ever had. But if Im being honest, after having it - its a complete waste of money. Playing CP2077 at max mod settings was neat for all of 5 minutes. As the most demanding thing that I routinely do on it now is play multiple copies of MNM on two monitors, one monitor for video's, and one monitor for web scrolling.
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I got a lot of used parts and built a plenty powerful pc for $1200.

I have used ram, SSD, cpu, and gpu. I’ve had no issues with it. The SSD was a gift, but even if you factor that in, it’s still a juicy pc for $1300. I can easily hit helldivers 2 or BF6 at max settings and 100+ fps in 1440p. I dont play open world games so not sure how it does with cyber punk.

I got my 32 gb 6000 cl30 ram for $105 at the end of November during the price hike on eBay. Just gotta keep an eye out. The same ram was going for $300 on amazon at the time.

I think the comparison to car or house was a joke tbh.

I just searched on eBay and there’s a barely used buy it now 2x16 6000 cl30 king fury for $150. You can find good stuff for still relatively low prices (compared to the gouging happening at box stores or amazon).

just don’t buy a used PSU or a used mobo.
 
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I had a sort of epiphany the other day. I have been tinkering with my SteamDeck a bit. I get a lot of use out of it because its just convenient to carry around and I can play in bed. I still prefer at my desk for any sessions more than an hour. This past week I'd been messing with the steam dock I had but never used and I got SteamDeck desktop mode up and running on my desktop itself. It works mostly like my traditional PC which is also Linux.

Then I realized. I don't play any new games really I just play old whatever most of the time. I only use my tower for games and tinkering. Literally nothing else and I have long since abandoned playing cutting edge ultra settings anything. Due to time constraints. The macbook is my daily driver for most things. I was already entertaining replacing my tower with the SteamCube for this reason then I thought. What if I just replace the entire tower with a SteamDeck or more tinkerable approximation? I don't want any friction setting up games but I do want to tinker with Linux and play games. Steamdeck offers all of that I just have a few things I need really.

  • Native HDMI or Displayport support. I hate the dock.
  • More RAM/GPU (not tons more but Lenovo Go has the right amount)
  • USB-C charging.
  • Linux First viability.
  • 1 TB SSD

Never thought I'd come to this but I think it will be great. If I ever need another tower PC I can just build one again.
 
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I think the comparison to car or house was a joke tbh.
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Kind of, maybe more snarky than a joke, since the numbers aren't too joking, depending on your definition of a high end pc and how much you think a decent used car costs. Pretty sure if I priced a 2026 equivalent of the last machine I built, it would cost more than the last used car I bought. Granted, the pc was pretty great and the car wasn't.

Shit's getting crazy out there though. I'm sure there are much better deals, but just popped over to newegg to see what prebuilts were going for:
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$7600 for a prebuilt with 32gb of ram...
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I had a sort of epiphany the other day. I have been tinkering with my SteamDeck a bit. I get a lot of use out of it because its just convenient to carry around and I can play in bed. I still prefer at my desk for any sessions more than an hour. This past week I'd been messing with the steam dock I had but never used and I got SteamDeck desktop mode up and running on my desktop itself. It works mostly like my traditional PC which is also Linux.

Then I realized. I don't play any new games really I just play old whatever most of the time. I only use my tower for games and tinkering. Literally nothing else and I have long since abandoned playing cutting edge ultra settings anything. Due to time constraints. The macbook is my daily driver for most things. I was already entertaining replacing my tower with the SteamCube for this reason then I thought. What if I just replace the entire tower with a SteamDeck or more tinkerable approximation? I don't want any friction setting up games but I do want to tinker with Linux and play games. Steamdeck offers all of that I just have a few things I need really.

  • Native HDMI or Displayport support. I hate the dock.
  • More RAM/GPU (not tons more but Lenovo Go has the right amount)
  • USB-C charging.
  • Linux First viability.
  • 1 TB SSD

Never thought I'd come to this but I think it will be great. If I ever need another tower PC I can just build one again.
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I used my LeGo in desktop mode for six months before I sold it and just built a SFF pc. As long as you're not running like BF6, you'll be fine. (I wanted to play BF6, which the LeGo could not do more than 800p and ultra performance upscaling).
 
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I have literal years of single player backlog to get through. Which is why I am even considering this.
 
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And this is why AI is not going anywhere fast. This machine took 30 yrs of development which is giving us the current 6nm to 3nm chips. And if any of the supply chains break down to make machines like this, were back to 14nm. Which is like 100x the power and 100x space to get the same compute power. Its the ONLY company in the world that can make machines like this.

ASML’s EUV lithography machines have one of the most complex supply chains on Earth: more than 5,000 suppliers contribute parts, and roughly 80% of the machine’s components are manufactured by external partners. These machines are assembled in the Netherlands but rely on ultra‑specialized companies across Europe, the U.S., and Asia for optics, lasers, vacuum systems, mechatronics, and control electronics.

So 2nm machines are being installed and tested right now, target for late 2026 for wafers. But thats pretty much the end of silicon die shrinkage. So were looking at the last die shrinkage using silicon. 1nm and below is a whole other story....

Shrinking chips to the 1 nm scale pushes up against the limits of physics, materials science, and even the fundamental behavior of electrons. At that size, every trick the semiconductor industry has relied on for 60 years starts to break down. The challenge isn’t just “making things smaller”—it’s that the rules of the universe stop cooperating.

• A single missing atom becomes a defect.
• A single impurity becomes a catastrophic failure.
• Variability between transistors becomes enormous.

1 nm is hard because it’s the point where classical physics stops working and quantum physics takes over.
Every layer of the chip—transistor, interconnect, materials, lithography, heat, variability—hits a fundamental limit.
It requires:
• New materials
• New device architectures
• New lithography
• New cooling
• New design tools
It’s the biggest shift since the invention of the transistor.
 
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TLDW: Corsair does a shitty job at jumping on the AI bandwagon and fucking over consumers at the same time.

I'm starting to rationalize at what price point does a gaming PC start to rival other regular hobbies. As in a mid-tier PC every ~5 years, electricity costs, and obviously video games themselves. I think I arrived at $10k for the PC, double it over the same 5 years for the electricity and video games.

I hate that I'm thinking this way. Because we know even after this shit unfucks itself, memory prices ain't going back down. Video cards didn't after bitcoin and covid. And utilities are almost more monopolistic, so they're definitely not going down even if datacenter demand magically disappears.
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I've told everyone that showed any interest in gaming on PC to do drugs instead, it's a cheaper hobby.
 
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Drugs literally are cheap.

fentanyl costs like $3.50 for a dose that will keep you high all day. It’s 50x more potent than heroine and a fraction of the cost.
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Well I suppose that would depend on the heroine. One like say Wonder Woman can fly you in her invisible jet and get you pretty high .

;)

Right before back surgery...um I think 3(or4) I had a fentanyl patch I had to change every 3 days. Hated the damn thing. Could not get it wet, could not get it hot (this in Summer in the deep south where the humidity is 4,000,000,000%) and it would not allow me to sleep.

What does this have to do with computers?
 
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Well I suppose that would depend on the heroine. One like say Wonder Woman can fly you in her invisible jet and get you pretty high .

;)

Right before back surgery...um I think 3(or4) I had a fentanyl patch I had to change every 3 days. Hated the damn thing. Could not get it wet, could not get it hot (this in Summer in the deep south where the humidity is 4,000,000,000%) and it would not allow me to sleep.

What does this have to do with computers?
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Gosh darn autocorrect !
 
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