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At least its C10!
(well, unless their sd card supplier is also scamming them by adding an even tinier C2 inside, lol)
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(well, unless their sd card supplier is also scamming them by adding an even tinier C2 inside, lol)
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well yeah, but matryoshka sd cards is funnier...
Grok didn't quite seem to get it, but it tried.
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You should count yourself lucky if you get the total advertised storage capacity, regardless of speed.
There was a scam years ago with storage (SSD, hard drive, USB sticks) that sold you lots of gigabytes, but that internally had tiny storage and wrapped around any write over the actual capacity back to the start of the drive. If you checked the storage superficially it worked, but once you you were filling that disk with data it would start to overwrite the previously stored data.
Current scam is to relabel used hard disks as new:
"End-to-end fraud" with hard drives: Seagate finds counterfeit workshop in Asia
Investigating authorities have unearthed a workshop in which used hard disks were converted into new goods. Models from Toshiba and WD were also found.
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Lanx
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You should count yourself lucky if you get the total advertised storage capacity, regardless of speed.
There was a scam years ago with storage (SSD, hard drive, USB sticks) that sold you lots of gigabytes, but that internally had tiny storage and wrapped around any write over the actual capacity back to the start of the drive. If you checked the storage superficially it worked, but once you you were filling that disk with data it would start to overwrite the previously stored data.
Current scam is to relabel used hard disks as new:
"End-to-end fraud" with hard drives: Seagate finds counterfeit workshop in Asia
Investigating authorities have unearthed a workshop in which used hard disks were converted into new goods. Models from Toshiba and WD were also found.www.heise.de
scam as old as time
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Arguably not much headroom since it is just a binned 9800X3D. I suppose a bit of tuning with the curve optimizer and vcore could net better multi-core results, but then one would pick up a 9950X / X3D for that anyway. There probably isn't much headroom for a gaming OC given the terrible voltage/frequency curve of the 9850X3D.
Coming from a 7800X3D or lower this is still a decent upgrade (*GPU depending), it just launched into a bad market. AMD really needs to boost the default CCD to 10 or 12 cores for 20/24 threads next gen, unless they manage some real IPC gains.
Coming from a 7800X3D or lower this is still a decent upgrade (*GPU depending), it just launched into a bad market. AMD really needs to boost the default CCD to 10 or 12 cores for 20/24 threads next gen, unless they manage some real IPC gains.
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I game at 4K, the difference between my 7800X3D and the 9800X3D was around 1%.
I didn't upgrade then , doubt I'll upgrade now, especially with pricing being all over the place.
My big upgrade is I finally got off my ass, paid way too much for a 2TB SSD and I am going to install it over the weekend (after a thorough backup and dust blowout) and install Bazzite. Soon as I finish Tainted Grail, I'm sating this Fallout New Vegas fever in Linux. Unless modding is a bitch.
EDIT: speaking of overclocking, how much could you reasonably get? I was all down for it when you could get 40%+ on a Core 2 duo but now is it worth the hassle?
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Nope. Small gains if any in exchange for instability and more heat.
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^^
Overclocking for daily usage is largely a thing of the past. CPUs boost automatically if there is enough thermal, power, and voltage headroom. GPUs too. You can still OC for fun, knowledge, or benchmarking, but it is massive heat and power consumption for minimal gains. On the AMD side, maybe look to set a negative vcore offset (lower voltage means more thermal and power headroom) and/or set a negative curve optimizer value for all cores (adjusts the target vcore for a given clock speed, letting you hit higher clockspeeds with less voltage).
You could even delid and go for direct-die cooling, but that won't help much with gaming or single-core clocks since basically every modern CPU will hit max clocks under single core/gaming loads. For multi-threaded workloads, it might help, and netting +2/3/400MHz across 16c/32t can be a nice boost, but if you truly need multi-core performance consider threadripper.
Overclocking for daily usage is largely a thing of the past. CPUs boost automatically if there is enough thermal, power, and voltage headroom. GPUs too. You can still OC for fun, knowledge, or benchmarking, but it is massive heat and power consumption for minimal gains. On the AMD side, maybe look to set a negative vcore offset (lower voltage means more thermal and power headroom) and/or set a negative curve optimizer value for all cores (adjusts the target vcore for a given clock speed, letting you hit higher clockspeeds with less voltage).
You could even delid and go for direct-die cooling, but that won't help much with gaming or single-core clocks since basically every modern CPU will hit max clocks under single core/gaming loads. For multi-threaded workloads, it might help, and netting +2/3/400MHz across 16c/32t can be a nice boost, but if you truly need multi-core performance consider threadripper.
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yeah when I read that my old 3950 16 core cpu auto oc'd I stopped. Have not tried it again. Besides Win 11 is such a bubble gum and bailing wire cobbled together mess my PC might just explode.
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imo, the best "fun" to be had when overclocking was a thing, was when you could unlock extracores. you can buy an amd athlon II phenom x2 and get lucky enough to bios unlock it to a phenom x4, after that amd sucked ass with bulldozer for 6 years and oc basically died
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Yes, I had one and I did that (Phenom 2 550 IIRC). Phenom 2 was a a solid arch I thought - I ran a 1090t 6c/6t for a long while. Celeron 300A was a also a beast - could run it a 450 with the full speed cache and it crushed the Pentium II for half the price. Had one of those too. Another one that wasn't exactly an OC, but I had the Abit BP6 mobo that allowed for dual Celeron CPUs, which gave me my first "1GHz" computer with dual 500MHz 1C/1T CPUs.
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yea these "hacks" where you can self upgrade a mfr part is great. i think my first one was in 2000ish, you can buy a ultra66 pci card and just solder a resistor to ground and upload a new bios to get a raid card
i mean, before this i was using stupid expensive scsi drives and that goddam adaptec 2940uw
now nothing, everything is just plug in and turn on
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yea these "hacks" where you can self upgrade a mfr part is great. i think my first one was in 2000ish, you can buy a ultra66 pci card and just solder a resistor to ground and upload a new bios to get a raid card
i mean, before this i was using stupid expensive scsi drives and that goddam adaptec 2940uw
now nothing, everything is just plug in and turn on
I think it was when the quake-engine game Kingpin was popular that I was running a Promise card with two HDDs short stripped (formatted to less-than-full capacity to limit data to the outer, faster part of the drive) in Raid 0. Faster load-ins at match start! Also had ISDN and later one of the first DSL connections (prior to cable), so I was definitely a LPB.
I can appreciate today's tech but it's just less interesting. I woke up today planning to upgrade my 7800X3D to the 9850X3D and just don't feel the need to pull the trigger. Same with my work rig still sitting on a 7950X. I've got Debauer's Ryzen delidder sitting in a drawer for the past year now, along with v1 and v2 of his High Performance Heat Spreaders and Direct Die contact frame and I doubt I will ever use them. I've been sitting on a pair for 2TB Gen 5 NVMes still new in box for months now. In the past I'd install them same day. I'm just getting old I guess...
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for an everquest 2 related tidbit, it was "theorized" that if you zoned in, into an instance first you were at the top of the aggro list. who knows? but i was raid leader and mt and the first one w/ ocz 30gb ssd's in raid0, always loaded in first, never lost aggro (and a lot of times i was just phoning it in)
isnt delidding even more less effective, since the 9800x3ds flip the ccd?
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