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I wouldn't go with Void, he is one of those caries that can do more harm then good in a teamfight. Lifestealer lane is a solid choice.
FV has serious problems in the current meta (and many argue, he has serious problems in general).
Your top-tier carries are:
AM, Alchemist, Gyrocopter, LD to a lesser extent, Troll Warlord can become huge (we'll see), Phantom Lancer is still a monster, Morphling though he's fallen off a lot, and Luna though she has also fallen off quite a bit for reasons I won't go into here, and obviously Lifestealer, and Weaver who also has LD/offlane syndrome and takes a while to rev up and should probably not be played as the main or only carry.
Softer carries:
Juggernaut, Dragon Knight (can be a super hard carry if you're a ballin' player but more often he's the backup), Faceless Void, Razor built correctly, Huskar sorta though he's hard to work into a good lane that doesn't sacrifice something for him being there, Shadowfiend as another backup carry mid that dominates a midgame, Ursa
Carries you don't see:
Drow, PA, Sniper, Clinkz unless you are God's Gift to Dota
Anyway this list is not exhaustive (note I did not mention CK who only fits in certain lineups), Medusa who I and a lot of other people find really shitty, and so on.
Your top-tier carries are:
AM, Alchemist, Gyrocopter, LD to a lesser extent, Troll Warlord can become huge (we'll see), Phantom Lancer is still a monster, Morphling though he's fallen off a lot, and Luna though she has also fallen off quite a bit for reasons I won't go into here, and obviously Lifestealer, and Weaver who also has LD/offlane syndrome and takes a while to rev up and should probably not be played as the main or only carry.
Softer carries:
Juggernaut, Dragon Knight (can be a super hard carry if you're a ballin' player but more often he's the backup), Faceless Void, Razor built correctly, Huskar sorta though he's hard to work into a good lane that doesn't sacrifice something for him being there, Shadowfiend as another backup carry mid that dominates a midgame, Ursa
Carries you don't see:
Drow, PA, Sniper, Clinkz unless you are God's Gift to Dota
Anyway this list is not exhaustive (note I did not mention CK who only fits in certain lineups), Medusa who I and a lot of other people find really shitty, and so on.
This is similar to my experience with every luck-based hero and also why I detest playing them with a vengeance.
Main Reason DK is meh ~ is because of how tied to his ult he is :\ Having an aegis doesnt do shit for him because of that. I'd argue alchemist has the same problem, but he has much more survivability and a shorter cooldown ult and a much bigger farm potential to snowball quickly. They are both excellent #2 roles to set up initiations and build tanky to destroy towers.
As for clinkz, he's pretty damn good, dont know why people dont pick him up more often...I've probably picked him around 20*~ times this patch version with an 70~% win rate. Almost all of that is playing offlane. The orb damage is so good you can contest a lot of duos for farm and even win the lane... 1v1, very few will be able to stand toe to toe, especialy once you get lvl 3. One of my fav hero to play in current meta.
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I love Clinkz.
If Navi had let funn1k play Clinkz in Ti3 I think they would have won it all, and there were a couple games with Alliance which I felt he would have dominated.
As for other stuff, IGs new lineup looks strong, but I can't wait until DKs new team starts playing in competitive. Mushi burning Icex3, jizz.
If Navi had let funn1k play Clinkz in Ti3 I think they would have won it all, and there were a couple games with Alliance which I felt he would have dominated.
As for other stuff, IGs new lineup looks strong, but I can't wait until DKs new team starts playing in competitive. Mushi burning Icex3, jizz.
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That's why every support should get sentries and convince their carry to harass you out of a lane ASAP. Void's problem is that he needs 2+ items to be effective - damage + bkb, or some kind of setup for his ulti and one of the popular picks - Naga, absolutely destroys him. I haven't seen 1 position LD in ages, mostly because building Heaven's Halberd is a pretty good idea and if you get caught with your bear on low hp, good teams will kill the bear then you for extra money. If you want to carry, stick to AM, the only other picks that seem to work in every situation is Weaver, Alchemist and Naix.
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Speaking of FV, I played FV in one of the most epic games of my Dota career last night. I was playing with some friends, one of which was brand new to the game (Axe), and a pretty bad random (Omni).
http://dotabuff.com/matches/312626196
I was on my smurf account due to the large MM difference, so it's a Normal skill game. I played a fucking terrible early-mid game, no excuses. I also have a few chronos later which easily qualify for a dota fails highlight reel.
TLDW spoiler:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/312626196
I was on my smurf account due to the large MM difference, so it's a Normal skill game. I played a fucking terrible early-mid game, no excuses. I also have a few chronos later which easily qualify for a dota fails highlight reel.
TLDW spoiler:
We lose the laning phase badly and they eat two of our rax early on. With chrono and solid Timber/Lesh play, we manage to hold them back every time they push, and at one point get their mid lane rax down. They keep split pushing and eventually get our last rax, giving them mega creeps. We fight mega creeps for what seemed like 20 minutes until we finally wipe them enough times in a row to take their throne 78 minutes in.
None of this would be possible against good opponents, and if I played a decent game it never would have degenerated to the point it did. Still, it was fun as fuck!
None of this would be possible against good opponents, and if I played a decent game it never would have degenerated to the point it did. Still, it was fun as fuck!
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At your skill bracket, I really think that anything can work - for you the biggest improvement in your game will be mechanical coupled with decision making and map awareness. Learning how to survive in shit lanes and farm or fight your way back into games is really when your skill level will begin to climb. If you really enjoy PA - she's fine - you just have to be flexible in pub dota based upon what you experience in any given game. No carry survives simply against a pair of aggressive ranged casters. With appropriate lane support they should help you create space - if you don't have that lane support - that's when you learn maybe to mix up the build of both items or in the case of PA skills. Perhaps its recognizing that your mid needs to hit a specific level before they can effectively gank - so you preserve your lane presence with a focus on not wanting to fight until an advantage is yours that will let you be aggressive. Things like that. Sure if you're looking for top tier pro carries and that meta then the list in the thread are correct in that PA doesn't "fit" in a lot of professional compositions. But pub dota is not pro dota, and normal bracket dota isn't even close. Good decisions and a focus on improving your mechanics game by game will make any hero work in pub dota. The most important aspect in whatever hero you play is just a general familiarity with how to deal with all the possible situations you might be in without having to think to much about what that best decision should be.
You guys are forgetting Spectre, one of the most fun hard carries imo, although pretty overlooked. Probably the most demanding carry in terms of early game CS - you really can't wood or do ancients in the early game like many other carries, which means you have to make every single creep count. But if you're at the level where you'll get 60-70 last hits at 10 mins if given a safe enough lane, then you you can pretty handily have phase boots, vanguard and radiance at 20 mins and then start completely dominating the enemy team. Especially strong if the enemy has lots of low-HP supports or initiators that depend on positioning and blink. Get far enough ahead and your ult will pretty much kill their supports without you even haunting, but is also hugely useful for timing your entrance to the fight (eg right after the enemy drops a big ult) and farming right up until the moment you're needed.
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Clinkz gets molested by anyone with superior initiation, one stun and he falls apart. Of course, if you feed him and he can start ganking 1v2, you have a problem since his burst scales much better compared to, say, Nyx. If he has to farm for his items instead of gank, he scales really badly, especially against heroes with bkb. Optimally, he needs a 1v1 offlane, some 2v1 are doable, but if the other guys are smart and just make you burn through regen, you are in a world of pain. Blade mail is nice vs him, but the heroes he's going to gank usually don't have money for that.
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Why the fuck has no one come to replace Sheever seems like a prime time to become a known caster
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Scythe of Vyse/Telekensis were also on CD too. So weaver had free reign to dominate.
They're going to have to replay the game completely. This is insane.
wow.. So they finally reconnect and then EGM disconnects from the game forcing another remake. This win should just be given to Quantic.
lol.. Bulldog buys an item on the reload and the complains he can't use said item, THAT HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL FIGHT. So dumb.
They're going to have to replay the game completely. This is insane.
wow.. So they finally reconnect and then EGM disconnects from the game forcing another remake. This win should just be given to Quantic.
lol.. Bulldog buys an item on the reload and the complains he can't use said item, THAT HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL FIGHT. So dumb.