DOTA 2

Sulrn_sl said:

Teams playing a team game more effectively due to communication? Who knew?!?

Here I thought the secret to pro-gaming was innately having the power of foresight to know when and where your team is trying to push or team fight or farm and who initiates on who to make sure lock doesn't drop the rock while bane grips your carry before he can pop bkb.

It doesn't take a conversation to win games, but being able to communicate basics not covered by the chat wheel change games dramatically.

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It's a pub game, not the finals of the international 4, you don't need to coordinate that much because you're not playing against Na'Vi, you're playing against another bunch of pubs. You don't need to work out extremely small details, especially when it's not necessarily the actual best choice but more like your subjective opinion of what people should be doing. The chat wheel is enough to communicate the basic things. Pinging is even enough most of the time, don't even need the chat wheel.

"We lost because we couldn't communicate" generally means "we lost because I told people what to do but they didn't listen". It's an internet game with anonymous players, even if they can understand you, most of them will ignore you, or will do what they're capable of, not what you want. Communication is only relevant when you agree on who takes the decisions, pro teams work like that too. 5 random pro players don't act like a team until they've played a lot together and know how each of them tends to react instinctively to a situation and can communicate quickly about stuff and not question the captain calls in high tension moments. That's why new teams tend to look shittier and disorganized versus older teams. Yet they both use voice chat(well skype or whatever) and both have high skilled players. It takes several months for a team to get used to play together.

That's why I think the excuse of "I lost because my team didn't understand me" is fucking stupid. Communication is a big part of being pro, but it's a small part of playing pubs.

Not that I appreciate russians spamming the chat in russian though, shit's fucking annoying. But if the guys are good you will win even with 4 russians, and if they're not good you'll lose, even if you google translate the exact right things you want to tell them. I don't think I've ever seen a game where I won due to communication other than pinging. I've seen plenty of games lost due to "communication" though, aka people getting into arguments about some random shit and the course of action and knowing how to win(yet having divergent opinions on the subject).

I agree that a lot of people feel it's important, my argument is that it's not and especially not at lower tiers of gaming. LoL has region locks and solo queuing isn't any better now that you can communicate with people. And it's mostly a relevant argument for the US anyway, since Europe west still has plenty of languages and retards who purposefully avoid speaking english and instead spam chat in swedish, german, french or spanish.

I'm not against a region lock, I'm just saying it's probably not gonna do much and not as much as people think it would do. People will just stop complaining about foreigners and instead complain about griefers/assholes/people who don't listen(or well, more than they do currently). But by all means let's have it, it wouldn't really hurt either, as long as it's not a complete client region lock but instead like a region lock on ranked queue. Practice especially needs to not be region locked, cause well, tournaments and shit, but for ranked I think it'd be fine.

Pros bitched about last TI patch though cause it changed strats and shit when they were already working on shit. Patching next week or maybe the one after probably would be fine.

Think meta is in a good spot though if the starladder is anything to look at. Naga/Lycan are like "zomg so OP plz nerf icefrog" but they still seem to lose a bunch, and to each other too. Fairly large pool, I don't know if a hero was overwhelming in wins(centaur maybe?) but it didn't feel like it and a lot of different strats. People have been running a lot of necrobooks lately but at the same time if you look at how much gold they feed, if they don't succeed they tend to give the opponent a good comeback mechanic. Would be interesting to be able to pull that stat from spec UI(similar for bear, wolves, spiderlings and so on). So no patch would be fine too, or a minor patch to maybe throw some quick changes at shit without having 4-5 hero reworks and aghanim being added to half a dozen of heroes.