The "lowest common denominator" thing is less about how games look and graphics (there's plenty of games that look "okay" on the X360/PS3 and absolutely gorgeous on the PC) and more about game design. This is especially true with Dragon Age 2 and how they pushed the combat design more to using a controller and scaled back on how the gameplay worked on mouse/keyboard. The reused assets are also somewhat of a byproduct due to the RAM limitations of those systems, though laziness and stupid decisions also played a big part there.
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Controls in DA2 are fine. Hodj is just a baddie who needs to get carried but can't in singleplayer games.
From the console side they're annoyed at how arrogant PC gamers can be. They just don't realize how good it is to be in the glorious PC gaming master race.
From the PC side you see games that are watered down to support being playable with a controller. The FPS genre is basically dead to me because the gameplay is so slow compared to quake. Your mobility is shit and your accuracy is shit but you need it to be shit because you're using a joystick to slowly move around. The same is true of some other games like Skyrim, DA2 and now X:Rebirth.
From the console side they're annoyed at how arrogant PC gamers can be. They just don't realize how good it is to be in the glorious PC gaming master race.
They'recapableof it, but was a gargantuan amount of work to craft good environmental and level design that would work on the X360/PS3 due to ram limitations. We should see a huge leap in level design quality and size (and much more seamless worlds) on average with this next generation though. Especially from talented developers once cross-generation nonsense gets totally dropped.
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Meh, that's 100% a design decision and not a limitation of games having to support controllers. Especially since console and PC players do not play on the same servers. It is purely a choice of the developers, because they've tuned it to certain crowd of people. Games as fast as Quake would still be 100% playable on a controller, it'd just be a bit of a different experience than on the PC.
Hate the devs, not the gamepad.
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yeah but like i said, i have both, i play both, i enjoy both. why the hate? the fps argument is valid, to a point, i believe. but there is a HUGE part of me that is just... so what? you know? so what more people get to play video games? so what that someone who maybe can't afford a gaming pc but can afford a console? let him (OR HER!!) play some CoD and be happy. the fact that CoD sales are so huge is just proof that there is a huge market of people who WANT to play games. SO LET'S BE HAPPY THEY ARE PLAYING GAMES!! i really don't enjoy sports games, even though there have been a few gems that i have enjoyed here and there... but they are a huge market. so what does that mean for me? it means my cousin's husband who i normally have NOTHING to talk about with, i can sit down and have a conversation about whether or not he should get a ps4.
my jimmies have been rustled to hell and back so i'll compose myself. i just think it's some weird elitism that does more to hurt the gaming community than anything else. /rage
my jimmies have been rustled to hell and back so i'll compose myself. i just think it's some weird elitism that does more to hurt the gaming community than anything else. /rage
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That's basically it. Console games are shit on the PC. I'm sorry, but they are 99% of the time. Plenty of console games are just fine on the console. Plenty. It's not about some inherent inferiority -- it's a different type of platform. I wouldn't really want to play mariokart on the desktop. What the fuck is the point of that? I wouldn't want to play guitar hero at all, but if I did -- playing it on the PC would be stupid. I wouldn't want to play Civ on the xbox, although you probably could play Civ5 on one... so it's probably not the best example. But some intricate strategy game which they're really not making enough of lately because they're busy pandering to console mouthbreather money.
It's not consoles themselves that are a scourge, it's the type of people that play consoles. You see?
It's not consoles themselves that are a scourge, it's the type of people that play consoles. You see?
iannis
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Well honestly, business wise, you stand to make more money making a good console game and porting it than you stand to make making a good PC game and not being able to port it.
So you've got to be either dedicated to the vision of a game (DA:O and ME1 are relevant here) or you've got to be seriously HERPADERP to not just make a console game and port it.
Without the consoles there would be a lot fewer games, and a lot less opportunity for any good games to be made. But it's a hard sell to convince me that the console market doesn't inhibit the more intricate type of PC genres that existed before nintendo decided to bukkake the entire world.
Turn Based Strat games like Civ work fine on a gamepad if you design the control system well enough for it (and Civ Rev on the X360 was pretty fun). It's really only RTS that is pretty shitty on a gamepad, though it'sdoable- there were a few C&C games and stuff like Halo Wars. Neither genre really made it over though since the audience wasn't really there, or well they never tired to cultivate an audience for it.
Also you could totally play Mario Kart and Guitar Hero on the PC, just plug in the controllers to play them! Though Guitar Hero wouldn't be great on a monitor at a desk.
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exactly. no reason why any game can't be made for console or pc. there just isn't. it's just a matter of taking the time to create a functional control scheme and cultivating the audience. Halo Wars was surprisingly fun. it had flaws, but it was fun.
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Complete and utter bullshit. ME was incredible outside of the vehicle levels and ME2 was perfect. DA:O isn't even my type of game, but I thought it was incredible as well.
Calling them "shakey" is ridiculous.
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i'm sure i'll get negged for this, but i missed ME the first go around. then when ME3 came out, i was like, ALLRIGHT ALLRIGHT. I'LL PLAY IT. so i did. i bought ME and i got like, half-way through it and i just... got bored and left. sure, the paragon system is cool, the dialogue wheel is cool, the setting is cool... mostly... i just... it just didn't do anything for me. maybe it's that the armor and weapons all are basically color variants of each other... maybe it's the goofy planet exploration side missions... maybe it's just "knees too sharp." i don't know. i just absolutely could not force myself to play it anymore. /shrug
ME isn't for everyone, but it's a so much better than Dragon Age just for the crafted setting alone. ME created an amazing world, DA:O replicated a generic fantasy one.
DA is fantasy, but I don't think it's that generic. The blight stuff is pretty cool and how the world perceives and treats Mages is actually pretty interesting. Plus the whole Fade stuff.