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I'm going to go back a few posts to what I said before, as I think it highlights the differences in thought here. You're looking at the numbers behind the world, whereas I'm looking at the level of immersion the world provides - the complete opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of how the game should be presented to the player and where dev time should be spent. I don't so much care that Neriak3 has bear ass quests like FP3, but I do care Neriak3 exists. Why? Because dark elves exist. Dark elves are mostly evil. Evil races hate good races. Humans are mostly a good race. That's the explanation. The fact there are multiple bear ass quests isn't what's important for the fact that Neriak3 should exist. More detail of why in the below post:
Teekey
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In the original EverQuest. This is EverQuest Next. I'm sorry you can't seem to accept that.
You have your own unwavering opinion on how it should be. It's not really 'less immersive' to have one starting city, with the lore as it stands.
Edit: And for the record, I agree that it removes some of the character of each particular race to have them at one starting city. I just don't think it makes it 'less immersive' from their lore perspective.
Yeah, no, this is still stupid. What is stopping one large city from having the same (or more) content than half a dozen smaller cities put together?
Convo
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Besides different themes? It's more about different/unique content to a region. I think that's the point he was trying to make.
Completely off the wall question , and maybe answered somewhere in here, but have the mentioned anything about day/night cycle and dynamic weather ? After actually seeing the sun set and time change in FFXIV and the weather , it reminded me how much little things like that I enjoy.
I know the original EQ did , just with so many games going the lazy route , hoping their isn't some limitation to the engine where that won't be in.
I know the original EQ did , just with so many games going the lazy route , hoping their isn't some limitation to the engine where that won't be in.
Teekey
Mr. Poopybutthole
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There are full day and night cycles. Skip to 2:38 in video below.
I don't think they've really spoken about weather yet. From what I remember, it was a 'maybe'.
Agenor
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Good deal , thanks for the info Q and video TK/Ag.
Silly wish I know, but sorta hoping they have actual weather "sytems" as in a storm could move across the continent from snow - rain - storms as it progresses and so on.
Also truly "changing" weather , as in not just the exact same rain period , but a true storm at times , maybe a drizzle at others , so on. That kind of stuff just adds to the game for me ( I know some rage and prefer to never have rain/snow/wind though ).
Silly wish I know, but sorta hoping they have actual weather "sytems" as in a storm could move across the continent from snow - rain - storms as it progresses and so on.
Also truly "changing" weather , as in not just the exact same rain period , but a true storm at times , maybe a drizzle at others , so on. That kind of stuff just adds to the game for me ( I know some rage and prefer to never have rain/snow/wind though ).
The implications of only one starting city are pretty extreme: either they're too stupid to notice or don't care. One starting city means everyone does the same quests, will then have the same gear, and will then funnel to whatever lower-mid level content exists all together. It sounds to me like another theme park with window dressing.
If you spread people across the world in the beginning, give them options to level (ok, 'tier') their classes progressively in the general area, then bunch them together at the high end, you'll have a more exciting and immersive world from the first time a player logs in. EverQuest did exactly this, but gave you the option, however dangerous it was, to go elsewhere.
Note that WoW more closely resembled one starting in city in reality than multiple: while there were different starting cities, they were so easy to access that it may as well been 2, one for alliance and horde. It's not the amount of content that matters, but how that different content is designed in relation to each other. Qeynos to FP felt fucking epic. IronForge to Stormwind? Fucking joke.
What was done in EverQuest needs to be done here. And a lack of that, a lack of that flavor in the world, is a lack of content.
Big Flex
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lol everyone running up to Qeynos from the same shipwreck to save the same tutorial princess.
I liked UO's starting philosophy, "Ok fag, you chose a random city, heres some random shit that pertains to your skill choices, but not enough to do anything, have fun."
I liked UO's starting philosophy, "Ok fag, you chose a random city, heres some random shit that pertains to your skill choices, but not enough to do anything, have fun."
Teekey
Mr. Poopybutthole
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Not silly at all. What would be even cooler is if NPC behavior changed depending on the weather as well, via StoryBricks. Although that might be being a little too hopeful.
I don't necessarily see how this is the case, with StoryBricks. If it works as advertised, there could potentially be a completely different starting experience for someone who even starts playing 2 weeks after you do. There's no quest hubs, so starting in the same city doesn't necessarily mean you'll do all the same quests. Quests are supposed to be found while out in the world adventuring, not going out into the worldbecauseyou were sent out on a quest.
We'll have to see if it really ends up like that, however. I don't think your fears are completely unfounded.
Big Flex
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If anyone played Siege Perilous or In Por Ylem knows how chaotic it was to get anything done from the beginning. Wanted to macro on a training dummy? Somone would stack some explosive potions on the ground at your feet and throw another one at the pile, causing a chain reaction that'd kill all macroers in the era, lots of shit like that. Epic newbie battles with shepard crooks and pitchforks over mining rights to an area. Tamers sending mixtures of deer and sheep at people, slowly gnawing them to death.
I think EQN can recreate that. I really hope SOE makes one hardcore ruleset server, a ruleset that included pvp, rather than multiple pvp servers. It would be glorious.
I think EQN can recreate that. I really hope SOE makes one hardcore ruleset server, a ruleset that included pvp, rather than multiple pvp servers. It would be glorious.
Randin
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Well, for the sake of accuracy, the lore they've releasedimpliesone starting city, but nothing's been confirmed on that front. And really, it only implies one starting city for the races of the Combine, and we don't know yet if all playable races are a part of that.
Drakurii
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Is that the case with this game, this lore, this world? If race plays a significant role in the game you experience then I would agree multiple starting cities but if choice of race is more flavor than anything else what's the point. I understand that under normal circumstances Dark Elves are evil(ish) but in this universe does this apply?
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Really? I don't see anything but this kind of shit "Death should have meaning BUT..." "It should be hard BUT" "I want that old group feeling BUT..." "I want a hard game BUT..." Its the same tired ass bullshit we have all been reading on this board but with more 20 year old's who never played EQ1. There is nothing that Reddit will give us that we can't already get here as far as MMO stuff is concerned BUT except maybe more pandering by Devs using it as a mouth piece.