It might be dumb to argue over the semantics, but the substantive debate is worth having. An MMO that uses WoW instances is going to be a different experience than an MMO that only spawns a copy of a dungeon once there are 5-10 groups inside of it. Then there is the related discussion of servers: do you cram everyone on one server and use some form of instances to control population in a given area, do you use multiple servers to control population, or do you use a combination of both?
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Ukerric
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No, tutorial missions are like other missions: one area of the zone that is normally empty is filled with the mission props (gates, asteroids, outposts, whatever), and you get a bookmark thru the mission log to warp there. But it's certainly not instanced: if someone scans the system, they can see you, and most of the time warp to you (or, theoretically, if you're in deadspace, warp to the entrance of the deadspace and follow you in there).
Ukerric
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Well, the WoW devs tried desperately to call their NPC ennemies creeps, if I remember right. Instead of mobs. They couldn't make it stick.
Oh, and shards is UO-parlance. It's the excuse UO devs invented to justify the existence of multiple servers: each was supposed to be a "shard" of the Gem of Reality (broken by... Mondain? It's been a while).
*** EDIT: Ok, it was the Gem of Immortality, which contains the world, and YOU (during U1) broke it. Mondain came later. ***
Mr Creed
Too old for this shit
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You'll take your Elder Game and like it.
Grim you're right that there are alot of people needlessly shitting over any concept that might be remind them of EQ1, but at the same time you have Qwerty and co. crusading against everyone that directs critic (or more often hyperbole) at them or EQ1. Like I said about 50 pages back this is trench warfare at its finest. I'm glad when the reveal is over, at least then everyone is arguing based on actual information about the game. Although knowing some posters here it'll turn into "lol sweet tears" vs "SOE failed us, this game is dead to me, going back to red99". I'm just hoping Sylas is mostly right with his predictions and Smed isnt just talking about EVE because he likes it.
Utnayan
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Did you? Here's how it worked for me and EVERYONE IN MY ENTIRE GUILD.
We got to level 50, and had no more grinding left to do... So we did things to help our friends, like camp a couple of yaks for one guy and get that other guy his FBSS he had was still waiting for. We also took trips to kedge as a guild, because it was fun, even though you say it wasn't. I also personally killed a lot of nameds to get gear to twink with. Right away, we were well in to 50 just from that.
Then on the weekends we would raid, and for most part I came out positive on the raids. In places like Hate we tended to get rezzed whenever we died. The only nightmarish exp losses were from fear breaks, but that's one thing. Amongst all the other things, I rarely went below 50 1/2 exp. By the time Kunark came along, I only had to kill a few mobs to ding.
No I'm not agreeing with you because you are talking crap. Your argument started by saying there's LGuk and SolB and if those are full you are doomed. You were told about a dozen alternatives to that. And my point is that although some of them (like specs) go light blue or green by 50, it doesn't matter anyway because you don't need to continue grinding exp at 50... By the time you needed to go beyond 50, we had a whole expansion full of stuff to do it in.
There are loads of issues with EQ that I'd like to see fixed. You just don't seem to ever mention them and instead choose to pick on stupid pointless crap.
I leveled a new character in Rift last year to 50. I essentially mob grinded and by passed all the shitty quests and stopped doing IAs around 30/40.
Some people love quests, some people love grinding. I have a solution that appeases everyone. Why not give all mobs a bonus 20% xp if you have no quests in your quest log.
Some people love quests, some people love grinding. I have a solution that appeases everyone. Why not give all mobs a bonus 20% xp if you have no quests in your quest log.
Ambiturner
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Originally Vanguard was a mob grind instead. Then people complained they didn't know where to go.. so they added a thousand crappy quests to walk people through the game. I like your idea though. It's the first time you've ever said something good. Is this a new direction?
My alts all say the same things, they just dont get in to confrontations. But I'm glad you saw how wrong you were.
Seananigans
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I think I agree, but what's the difference? I assume "get X number of Y objects and bring them back" would be considered a task. What's a good example of a quest?
tad10
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EQN will have lots and lots and lots of AI. So I suspect there will be a lot of talking to NPCs.
tad10
Elisha Dushku
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Quests should not give xp.
Quests should give: large faction +/-, items, class abilitie/spells, access to new areas and similiar.
Mobs should give xp, moderate faction +/-. Rare mobs should drops items & spells.
Quests giving XP is the problem.
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