Everquest Legends

Creslin · May 18, 2026

Tuco said:
Why is cleric a required character?

Cleric is way better than the other healers. They have amazing buffs and really fast cast hots here. And then in addition to that the get a CH but it’s basically an instant cast and then after 3 tics the ch goes off, synergizes so well with any melee build.

the rest of the healers get trash and nothing new. Just same old slow cast superior heals for 10% of your life if you can even get the cast off.

hopefully they bring other dru/shm/pal up to par but the need a lot of love to hold a candle to cleric.

Burren · May 18, 2026

Creslin said:
Cleric is way better than the other healers. They have amazing buffs and really fast cast hots here. And then in addition to that the get a CH but it’s basically an instant cast and then after 3 tics the ch goes off, synergizes so well with any melee build.

the rest of the healers get trash and nothing new. Just same old slow cast superior heals for 10% of your life if you can even get the cast off.

hopefully they bring other dru/shm/pal up to par but the need a lot of love to hold a candle to cleric.

Interesting they would buff cleric heals and no one else (so far?)
Druid and shaman did get new dots and nukes for DPs builds.
I’m still leaning War -> Druid/enc for leveling though; buffs, regen, thorns, haste, charming a buddy. Cleric shouldn’t be necessary until tier 4 raiding?

Tuco · May 18, 2026

Creslin said:
Cleric is way better than the other healers. They have amazing buffs and really fast cast hots here. And then in addition to that the get a CH but it’s basically an instant cast and then after 3 tics the ch goes off, synergizes so well with any melee build.

the rest of the healers get trash and nothing new. Just same old slow cast superior heals for 10% of your life if you can even get the cast off.

hopefully they bring other dru/shm/pal up to par but the need a lot of love to hold a candle to cleric.

Wow, complete heal has always been an awkward spell by design. Changing it to be some kind of instant-cast delayed heal is crazy, especially if other healers aren't getting huge boosts then yeah, early EQ cleric is a no brainer.

Amerzel · May 18, 2026

I didn't play THJ until after PoP was out. Assuming THJ started with classic, did it have the full suite of AAs available from the start? I get that EQL in the current state is not nearly the same level of power fantasy as THJ. Was it like that from the start or did it slowly ramp up as expansions unlocked much better gear, spells, and AAs?

Burren · May 18, 2026

This is a good one, if you have 25 minutes. Especially the last 3rd of the video.

Mrniceguy · May 18, 2026

moonarchia said:
Tell us you don't have a beta key without telling us you don't have a beta key.

I didn't apply for a beta key brother. I don't wanna play this, i knew these systems were going to be shit as soon as found out who was in charge.

Weird take that you post this

moonarchia said:
Got to have an actual play session. Got to 28. Money is rolling in fast and furious. Got my Symphonic Aura and Mnemonic Retention done. Having 5 BRD buffs up at all times is baller. Autopulse doesn't affect invis.

And then pretend you understand the end game, because of first had experience you don't have.

moonarchia said:
It is lacking a lot of polish, but it is absofuckinglutely solo friendly. Any decent grind spot is going to have gear you can work on and use while leveling. Once you hit 50 you are going to be doing that for BIS while moving up the difficulty as you get geared out. It's a fairly smooth progression, and if you are going to be doing other aliases you can keep an eye out for gear for that to build as well.

Not being able to solo everything on day one doesn't mean a game isn't solo friendly.

Full retard take. I don't think the problem will be seen in leveling, i think leveling w/o twinking will be similar to THJ, i think a lot of people that found THJ fun or missed THJ will enjoy leveling up. It's the endgame and replayability that be awful in comparison. It's not lacking polish it's lacking systems that will function.

Needless · May 18, 2026

Amerzel said:
I didn't play THJ until after PoP was out. Assuming THJ started with classic, did it have the full suite of AAs available from the start? I get that EQL in the current state is not nearly the same level of power fantasy as THJ. Was it like that from the start or did it slowly ramp up as expansions unlocked much better gear, spells, and AAs?

Yeah im curious about this as well, i think the main issue for EQL is just they're content locked at vanilla currently. When i started THJ it was well into PoP already as well so there was a dumb amount of stuff to conqeur. EQL long term is looking like it'll be quite fun though so far

Yeahs73 · May 18, 2026

Mrniceguy said:
Full retard take. I don't think the problem will be seen in leveling, i think leveling w/o twinking will be similar to THJ, i think a lot of people that found THJ fun or missed THJ will enjoy leveling up. It's the endgame and replayability that be awful in comparison. It's not lacking polish it's lacking systems that will function.

No the leveling is nothing like THJ, twinking or not, you could park yourself in Lguk and farm 500 AA's at 35, AA's were the power and the availability of them were the power. There is nothing about this and THJ that are similar other then 3 classes.

General Antony · May 18, 2026

THJ had most of the AAs by the time I started near the end of Kunark. I think they generally used them after that as a tool to balance low performing classes like druid/paladin.

This is the kind of shit it had right around end of kunark:

Burren · May 18, 2026

Yeahs73 said:
No the leveling is nothing like THJ, twinking or not, you could park yourself in Lguk and farm 500 AA's at 35, AA's were the power and the availability of them were the power. There is nothing about this and THJ that are similar other then 3 classes.

Not worth engaging him, he doesn’t understand discussion, just smooth brain bullshit.

rolien · May 18, 2026

Jox said:
You all up on that Tranny cock though, gotta get those simp bucks to your favorite Tranny, faggot.

You seem upset did you forget to take your meds?

Burren said:
Yeah, that's pretty unfortunate. It shouldn't be that fast. There's no longevity there even if they force people to buy race/class/whatever.
I was hopeful the 1-50 process would take me a month to 6 weeks and then that much time again to get some decent gear and complete the hard difficulties.
If they have people zooming through to the end in 1-2 weeks then all the microtransactions in the world mean nothing and the monthly sub is pointless.

You wanted leveling 1-50 to take a month or more... While also saying it's okay to force people to buy class tokens...

What the fuck do you faggots not have a job and just live on welfare or something? Yes good goy good be okay with the micro transactions... yes good give the company your money.

This game really has radicalized me against Everquest players so much.
"WE NEED AUTO SKILL BECAUSE CLICKING KICK IS TO DIFFICULT!"
"WE NEED EXP POTIONS! BUT MAKE LEVELING LONGER!"
"LET US BUY BAGS!"
I MUST CONSOOM EVERYTHING EVERQUEST!

Good lord, Like people make fun of WoW players for a 100 dollar mount but meanwhile you fucks are like "PLEASE I NEED MORE SLOP TO CONSOOOOM! YES I WANT TO BUY BETA ACCESS! MORE SLOP! MORE SHIT IN THE MICRO TRANSACTION SHOP!"

I've played so many fucking games and only Everquest players will gladly slurp up the slop from the cash shop and then ask for more. No wonder fucking Blizzard hired Holly Longdale they were hoping she could teach them the way of feeding their players literal trash and having them beg for more.

I mean I love the world of Everquest but fuck you people are a cancer on the industry.

xmod2 said:
Watching streams, I am wondering who the target audience is and if they did a viability study other than 'thj made a lot of money'. Time to kill is slow and it suffers from the same problem as MnM, if you don't already know how to play EQ, you're going to have a bad time. There are too many noob traps, esoteric knowledge about spells/classes/game mechanics required to make a viable build and the game is still "stand and face a mob for 3 minutes" that is going to attract nobody. As an addict who often tries to get their other gamer friends to play EQ, I don't see anything here that is going to help in that regard. THJ was the closest we had and that had 0 cost of entry, infinite flexibility in trying out combinations, the ability to twink out a few pieces to help out, etc.

I'd imagine p99ers are going to end up 'over it' quickly since it changes too much and has mtx. TLP players are dragon chasers who will immediately leave for whatever new TLP/game comes out to get their launch fix and emu players are mostly f2p fairweather players. Without bringing in new people to the IP, what is the long term goal/prospects of the project? Add on that they gave out a ton of keys to people who might be interested and they are running out of content in the 'free trial' period, it seems like they needed to hire a bizdev guy more than a dba.

Actually watched a video by some fat dude talking about this and what EQL is supposed to be doing a whole history of Secrets servers and he was right, this isn't supposed to be anything like THJ it's supposed to be an evolution of Chainbreaker and he's pretty spot on.

You're right the server isn't gonna have appeal to many people the new car smell will fade away quickly and the shit stains will start popping up. I don't think Secrets understands that this isn't an Emu that will be F2P it's going to have a box price, subscription and a cash shop. Everquest players are pretty fucking retarded and will consume anything, but they're also stupid and can't handle change to well. If it's to different than their yearly TLP fix they'll bail, If it does bring in new players (extremely unlikely) they won't deal with janky shit you might deal with on an Emu that's F2P and they'll jump ship quick. Casuals like myself will try it and unless it's actually casual friendly will drop it if we notice to much shit that's microtransactions that could be p2w we'll drop it. Spot on who the fuck is this for.

I watched Broken Stoic's video on it and he pointed a lot of shit out that I was worried about. Said it's fun but his video points out more flaws than positives. It drops in July and not all the AA's are in what the fuck they should be in and being tested not being fucking added now.

Burren · May 18, 2026

rolien said:
You seem upset did you forget to take your meds?

You wanted leveling 1-50 to take a month or more... While also saying it's okay to force people to buy class tokens...

What the fuck do you faggots not have a job and just live on welfare or something? Yes good goy good be okay with the micro transactions... yes good give the company your money.

This game really has radicalized me against Everquest players so much.
"WE NEED AUTO SKILL BECAUSE CLICKING KICK IS TO DIFFICULT!"
"WE NEED EXP POTIONS! BUT MAKE LEVELING LONGER!"
"LET US BUY BAGS!"
I MUST CONSOOM EVERYTHING EVERQUEST!

Good lord, Like people make fun of WoW players for a 100 dollar mount but meanwhile you fucks are like "PLEASE I NEED MORE SLOP TO CONSOOOOM! YES I WANT TO BUY BETA ACCESS! MORE SLOP! MORE SHIT IN THE MICRO TRANSACTION SHOP!"

I've played so many fucking games and only Everquest players will gladly slurp up the slop from the cash shop and then ask for more. No wonder fucking Blizzard hired Holly Longdale they were hoping she could teach them the way of feeding their players literal trash and having them beg for more.

I mean I love the world of Everquest but fuck you people are a cancer on the industry.

Actually watched a video by some fat dude talking about this and what EQL is supposed to be doing a whole history of Secrets servers and he was right, this isn't supposed to be anything like THJ it's supposed to be an evolution of Chainbreaker and he's pretty spot on.

You're right the server isn't gonna have appeal to many people the new car smell will fade away quickly and the shit stains will start popping up. I don't think Secrets understands that this isn't an Emu that will be F2P it's going to have a box price, subscription and a cash shop. Everquest players are pretty fucking retarded and will consume anything, but they're also stupid and can't handle change to well. If it's to different than their yearly TLP fix they'll bail, If it does bring in new players (extremely unlikely) they won't deal with janky shit you might deal with on an Emu that's F2P and they'll jump ship quick. Casuals like myself will try it and unless it's actually casual friendly will drop it if we notice to much shit that's microtransactions that could be p2w we'll drop it. Spot on who the fuck is this for.

I watched Broken Stoic's video on it and he pointed a lot of shit out that I was worried about. Said it's fun but his video points out more flaws than positives. It drops in July and not all the AA's are in what the fuck they should be in and being tested not being fucking added now.

Guess you can’t read well. I have no interest in microtransactions. I won’t use them. But, the fact they exist isn’t going to stop me playing Legends and having fun.
Clearly you don’t post anywhere outside of this section or you’d know more about the posters you’re shitting on.

rolien · May 18, 2026

Burren said:
Guess you can’t read well. I have no interest in microtransactions. I won’t use them. But, the fact they exist isn’t going to stop me playing Legends and having fun.
Clearly you don’t post anywhere outside of this section or you’d know more about the posters you’re shitting on.

I can fully support you on that front however.

How can you defend it being perfectly okay to lock someone in to their primary class without alts if you want the leveling process to take a month or more to get your first 50. You're saying you have no interest in microtransactions while actually promoting them by saying "Yes it's okay to force people to get to 50 with no way out other than deleting their character and starting over unless they spend money."

There is nothing casual about requiring a month or more to hit max level and then a month or more to get to the point to solo the ability to unlock classes. This is supposed to be casual and everything their doing is anti-casual but pro-profit, and don't get me wrong I understand they need to make a profit but to intentionally make things that should be free intentionally anti-casual unless they pay is ridiculous.

Mrniceguy · May 18, 2026

Yeahs73 said:
No the leveling is nothing like THJ, twinking or not, you could park yourself in Lguk and farm 500 AA's at 35, AA's were the power and the availability of them were the power. There is nothing about this and THJ that are similar other then 3 classes.

Yeah man you're missing the point. The power came from AAs and Gear. Sure you COULD farm gear and AA at lower levels. But if you didn't it your power level wasn't much different than EQL will be. With the excepts of mortal coil and pet cucks builds.

Zog · May 18, 2026

My honest thoughts are this game doesn't give me what I want out of an MMO.

I've played Ascendent EQ for a bit and get the gist of what this server is going to be like. I don't think it has any real staying power unfortunately. It has the same problem the TLP's have with the content that people want to play and have it mean something of significance to the average player. Im sure you'll get a decent chunk of people to stay for a while just to see how things play out but I dont see the majority of players suffering the growing pains of the development whirlwind that I am sure will piss off random groups of players throughout its year long course.

It's competing with tbc t5/t6/wrath timelines and lets face it, wow is a better game.

With that being said, im actually looking to waste some time in the next TLP rather than legends, its been a few years since I played a TLP and it looks like I will be able to power through some real shit leveling ranges and multibox without any 3rd party/vm bullshit to get me banned.

I didn't get a beta key for either of my accounts that had subs, which just kinda puts another nail in the coffin, early game exploits and just knowing where valuable shit is and how to get to it as fast as possible can set you up for a lifetime. Hell, I got enough krono from mischief to sub for 70 years.

hory · May 18, 2026

Do we have to buy expansions like the base game as they’re released ?

Mahes · May 18, 2026

I plan to just play the new TLP. If this had just cloned THJ, I might have considered trying this out. As it stands now, this is not worth both a purchase price and a monthly fee. I will not bother discussing the merits of a cash shop on top of both those things, for what this server is.

Should have just cloned THJ.

M Power · May 18, 2026

Creslin said:
Cleric is way better than the other healers. They have amazing buffs and really fast cast hots here. And then in addition to that the get a CH but it’s basically an instant cast and then after 3 tics the ch goes off, synergizes so well with any melee build.

the rest of the healers get trash and nothing new. Just same old slow cast superior heals for 10% of your life if you can even get the cast off.

hopefully they bring other dru/shm/pal up to par but the need a lot of love to hold a candle to cleric.

Would a cleric / necro not be a good combo? You get the instant heals and the lich line.

Xarpolis · May 18, 2026

Torrid said:
Not to be pedantic here but this is my area of expertise.

Mob HP in EQ ramps up considerably around NPC level 40. LDCs have a non-trivial amount of hitpoints. On live servers it's ~5550 and in old EQ it was a little less at ~5250. On top of that, melee DPS in classic era was rather weak. Melee DPS ramped up considerably in Kunark with higher skill caps and much better weapon ratios. (Karnors dropped weapons equivalent to classic god loot) In classic era, melee damage output was somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 DPS at level 50 with raid weapons.

Even a wizard chain casting his level 39 nuke with no resists would take well over a minute to kill a LDC assuming no modern additions or resists. (resists would be highly likely on a yellow) 7.5 seconds per cast times 405 damage = 54 DPS = 13 casts to do 5265 damage = 98 seconds. 405 is the damage of the spell at level 45+ so technically it would be doing a little less if the spider were yellow con.

I have no frame of reference for this, but back at release, mobs had a max of 32,000 health. All the raid bosses had 32k. That's why death touch was important, just to limit the damage going to the boss. Make the fight last longer. Longer = Harder during release and Kunark. Then Velious rewrote the script and had bosses with 700k+ hp.

General Antony · May 18, 2026

Xarpolis said:
I have no frame of reference for this, but back at release, mobs had a max of 32,000 health. All the raid bosses had 32k. That's why death touch was important, just to limit the damage going to the boss. Make the fight last longer. Longer = Harder during release and Kunark. Then Velious rewrote the script and had bosses with 700k+ hp.

Open world diff 3 hate minibosses have ~60-70k from someone's parse

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