Noodleface
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Guarantee this is ff15 skinned for ff7. Not sure why combat is surprising to anyone that played ff15
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Nirgon
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I appreciate him for the occasional reality check to not get hype suckered.
I think this game is going to own tho.
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Utnayan
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It was worse.
I played through and completed FF15. This system they have now with not only abilities greyed out but items themselves is ridiculous. (As
Dioblaire
mentioned) Not to mention the time you want to use another party members abilities and those are grayed out because they have already been used by the AI when you are controlling cloud. I want to use a party member's lightning ability here, Whoops! Can't. The AI already must have used an item to heal himself so the AB is depleted. Guess I will check back later in the fight! So I was going back to R2 every 5 seconds. "Is it up yet?? can I use it yet??"You are definitely more neutral in your stance in this and I admittedly hate the business ethic they are trying to produce here, and I guarantee you that sways my opinion even though I am actively trying not to let that happen. Objectively taking out the business ethic SE is about, the combat was at least responsive. The problem will lie with ATB and if that can be controlled in a menu system (I looked but didn't see it) so you can leverage a party member's ability that directly effects a weakness in a mini boss/boss encounter by altering it's obvious excessive use outside of your control.
Again, this type of system is how it is laid out shows me that there was hardly any testing done for feasibility in designing boss encounters, or the pure aspect of fun while trying to defeat them. Had this been a turn based system it would be infinitely more playable in this regard. Instead, 99% of the time I was mashing square (Even when I was in mini boss fight(s) because I couldn't activate party abilities anyhow because the AI blew ATB for me while I was mashing square
The lack of that testing shows once again this was rushed out the door.
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Chris
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Combat system is similar to the original, you just get to do some manual attacks and dodges while waiting for your ATB gauge to fill instead of standing there doing nothing. You need ATB to use items in every other turn based FF game what's the problem?
I never had Barret use a potion on himself or cast Thunder by himself. I always had to manually use his ATB bar. Same with Cloud when I controlled Barret.
Did you have it on easy mode?
I don't think that's true.
I never had Barret use a potion on himself or cast Thunder by himself. I always had to manually use his ATB bar. Same with Cloud when I controlled Barret.
Did you have it on easy mode?
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Merrith
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It was worse.
I played through and completed FF15. This system they have now with not only abilities greyed out but items themselves is ridiculous. (As
You are definitely more neutral in your stance in this and I admittedly hate the business ethic they are trying to produce here, and I guarantee you that sways my opinion even though I am actively trying not to let that happen. Objectively taking out the business ethic SE is about, the combat was at least responsive. The problem will lie with the AB and if that can be controlled in a menu system (I looked but didn't see it) so you can leverage a party member's ability that directly effects a weakness in a mini boss/boss encounter.
Again, this type of system is how it is laid out shows me that there was hardly any testing done for feasibility in designing boss encounters, or the pure aspect of fun while trying to defeat them. Had this been a turn based system it would be infinitely more playable in this regard. Instead, 99% of the time I was mashing square (Even when I was in mini boss fight(s) because I couldn't activate party abilities anyhow because the AI blew the action bar for me while I was mashing square
The lack of that testing shows once again this was rushed out the door.
This makes me want to play the demo, I could imagine the party members you weren't controlling using items to heal (although, I don't think that's a bad thing I'd be much more likely to forget to heal them with their ATB charges by overcasting their Lightning spell or whatever), but I thought during the E3 presentation they said ones you weren't controlling would be saving ATB chargers for you to either take control of them and use actively or give them commands to use them as you see fit. Watching people play it on streams last night, the combat looked a lot better than how XV's felt, if that makes sense. I swear I saw people in demos able to use Barrett's Thunder against the boss without issue when needed.
Utnayan
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Nope. Had it on normal. Now, I am not sure what was going on here, but every time I hit R2 to try to use lightning on the mini boss, it was greyed out. Is ATB pooled to the party or are they separate to the party members?
Chris
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Barret has his own ATB gauge. If you are not controlling him it fills more slowly though.
I tended to find that it was enough to use potions periodically, but on that fight, yeah I wasn't using a lot of lightning.
I feel like I used it more on the main boss so maybe damage charges it too.
I think stuff like that is just learning the system, it's probably a good thing you are encouraged to switch to Barret and use him for a while to charge ATB for Thunder. Otherwise it's just mashing buttons on Cloud. I can see it being quite tactical once you need to be using healers.
Utnayan
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Intrinsic
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Yeah I think something was off there bc while I wasn’t great at it, I was nowhere near using ATB effectively or efficiently. I couldn’t get binding abilities to work on shortcuts and also completely forgot there were regular “abilities” that weren’t spells since I started feeling mana starved. Still don’t like the smash square part though.
This is kinda what I was wondering about, how is it any different than standing waiting for the ATB to fill up to do anything else? Other than FF15 where you could mash circle almost the entire game with some dodges thrown in.
Folanlron
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Played thru via both combat systems, why does Manual mode set it too easy ?(Might just be a beta thing, will see)
Really enjoyed Active(though i had some combos going off also but I guess they are not in this version, barret/cloud would just stand there and almost T-stance, haha)
Really enjoyed Active(though i had some combos going off also but I guess they are not in this version, barret/cloud would just stand there and almost T-stance, haha)
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If classic mode was full on dq11 jrpg combat I'd be so stoked. But mashing square feels real dumb. I also hope it gets a slider for combat speed.
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