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Speaking of game costs…
I remember when arcade games were .25 cents, but Dragon’s Lair came on the scene either its $1 per play.
I used to mow lawns in my neighborhood as a kid then blow most of the money I made at the local Showbiz Pizza playing Cobra Command.

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I lost a fuck ton of quarters to street fighter 2 because I really sucked with a joystick.
 
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I lost a fuck ton of quarters to street fighter 2 because I really sucked with a joystick.
I was decently high up in the local scrub rankings, but fighting games came from behind and easily surpassed my other arcade expenditures. Only thing that may be in the running was the way too many games of battletech i played at the local center.
 

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Another old game that I blew like 50 bucks on in a weekend. I was dragged on a medical convention with my parents to, Florida if I remember right, at some golf resort. Basically there was shit for me to do as a kid, but they had an arcade with this being the "best" game that I was addicted to. I basically spent like 3 days playing the thing lol.

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Did Stellar Blade make Sony wake up and understand why letting people buy your product from anywhere is a good thing?
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What was regionally restrictive about them?
Some required PSN accounts, which were only available in some countries.

Before giving up on forcing PSN accounts on Helldivers 2, they had the problem of having sold it on PC where PSN accounts aren't available, so they restricted sales. When they gave up, they never bothered to end those restrictions.
 

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The biggest hesitation I have is using it for excel and other work tasks because I work remote. Just wondering how it is for both gaming and that.

its wild how expensive monitors are compared to their tv counter point

32” OLED LG Monitor with latency is $1200 (or get the MSI one for $800)

vs

42” OLED LGC4 monitor with 1ms latency is $800.

personally, I can absolutely tell the difference between 8ms latency and 1ms. But I doubt I can tell the difference between 1 ms and 0.03ms latency. Once I switched to a monitor with 1 ms latency, I could never play on my Sony x90j again with its 8ms latency. Its so noticeable that it’s just unplayable now.

however, I wonder if upgrading to an OLED monitor is better than a new GPU. I’ve got the budget for a new gpu (5070 ti or a 9070) or a new OLED monitor. Not sure which one I want to dive into.
So the LG C4 is going to be the best latency you are going to get, period. I WFH and sit all day on screens with static elements and so have resisted moving to an LG or other OLED monitors for my main desk; I bought an ASUS 48 OLED but ended up putting it on my daughter's desk. When we were sitting up the Switch2's though I realized I have the 3rd and 4th best monitors in the house, and man that sucks, as my son's desk has a TCL 43 with awesome HDR10 while my Sony 43X720Es were great when I bought them in 2017 or whenever, 4k60 isn't the state of the art anymore and they don't even really do HDR at all. I have been waiting on a 42/43 Mini-LED TV to hit the market but in that time frame, the TV size I want has jumped the shark; TVs are bigger now 55+ and really 70-75 or larger and monitors have stopped at 32". That LG OLED is cream of the crop and while Samsung makes some good TVs in that space QN90D/F is right there, I just hate to spend that money ($1200+)when what I have works well enough. Sony had a good LED monitor of some tech that hit many of the sweet spots (120Hz, VRR, multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs, in that right size, etc) K85 but the last year they made them was 2022 and there isn't any stock anywhere to be found, even on Ebay.

About your current dilemma: My manager has a LG 42 C2 and loves it; uses it for work and for gaming, swears he has no burn in after 2 years. I don't know how many hours outside of work he put in on it or how many static elements, etc. I know he does the health stuff regularly, clean up etc. I was just so scarred by plasma burn in and even early LCD burn in that I still can't pull the trigger on anything where that is a chance of happening. I have two Sony's, so I could (and would only ever) retire one but I may just spend the extra $400 on the Mini LED if end up having to buy a monitor sooner rather than later. I guess if I start to burn one in I could always put it on a work bench or move it somewhere else. Quite the dilemma of my own.

If latency if your true measure; it won't get any better than the LG C4/C5.
 
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So the LG C4 is going to be the best latency you are going to get, period. I WFH and sit all day on screens with static elements and so have resisted moving to an LG or other OLED monitors for my main desk; I bought an ASUS 48 OLED but ended up putting it on my daughter's desk. When we were sitting up the Switch2's though I realized I have the 3rd and 4th best monitors in the house, and man that sucks, as my son's desk has a TCL 43 with awesome HDR10 while my Sony 43X720Es were great when I bought them in 2017 or whenever, 4k60 isn't the state of the art anymore and they don't even really do HDR at all. I have been waiting on a 42/43 Mini-LED TV to hit the market but in that time frame, the TV size I want has jumped the shark; TVs are bigger now 55+ and really 70-75 or larger and monitors have stopped at 32". That LG OLED is cream of the crop and while Samsung makes some good TVs in that space QN90D/F is right there, I just hate to spend that money ($1200+)when what I have works well enough. Sony had a good LED monitor of some tech that hit many of the sweet spots (120Hz, VRR, multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs, in that right size, etc) K85 but the last year they made them was 2022 and there isn't any stock anywhere to be found, even on Ebay.

About your current dilemma: My manager has a LG 42 C2 and loves it; uses it for work and for gaming, swears he has no burn in after 2 years. I don't know how many hours outside of work he put in on it or how many static elements, etc. I know he does the health stuff regularly, clean up etc. I was just so scarred by plasma burn in and even early LCD burn in that I still can't pull the trigger on anything where that is a chance of happening. I have two Sony's, so I could (and would only ever) retire one but I may just spend the extra $400 on the Mini LED if end up having to buy a monitor sooner rather than later. I guess if I start to burn one in I could always put it on a work bench or move it somewhere else. Quite the dilemma of my own.

If latency if your true measure; it won't get any better than the LG C4/C5.
I think you’re way over concerned about burn in on new oleds. The lg C3 barely has any burn in at all with almost two years straight, no off time, of the CNN banner. Each generation has improved, or at least it used to, so I’m sure the c4 and c5 are even better. If you’re using it for 8 hours a day that’s at least 6 years of use before even minor burn in.

Edit: Also, the c4 just happened to go on sale on Amazon right after I posted this. It’s a sign!
 
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So the LG C4 is going to be the best latency you are going to get, period. I WFH and sit all day on screens with static elements and so have resisted moving to an LG or other OLED monitors for my main desk; I bought an ASUS 48 OLED but ended up putting it on my daughter's desk. When we were sitting up the Switch2's though I realized I have the 3rd and 4th best monitors in the house, and man that sucks, as my son's desk has a TCL 43 with awesome HDR10 while my Sony 43X720Es were great when I bought them in 2017 or whenever, 4k60 isn't the state of the art anymore and they don't even really do HDR at all. I have been waiting on a 42/43 Mini-LED TV to hit the market but in that time frame, the TV size I want has jumped the shark; TVs are bigger now 55+ and really 70-75 or larger and monitors have stopped at 32". That LG OLED is cream of the crop and while Samsung makes some good TVs in that space QN90D/F is right there, I just hate to spend that money ($1200+)when what I have works well enough. Sony had a good LED monitor of some tech that hit many of the sweet spots (120Hz, VRR, multiple HDMI 2.1 inputs, in that right size, etc) K85 but the last year they made them was 2022 and there isn't any stock anywhere to be found, even on Ebay.

About your current dilemma: My manager has a LG 42 C2 and loves it; uses it for work and for gaming, swears he has no burn in after 2 years. I don't know how many hours outside of work he put in on it or how many static elements, etc. I know he does the health stuff regularly, clean up etc. I was just so scarred by plasma burn in and even early LCD burn in that I still can't pull the trigger on anything where that is a chance of happening. I have two Sony's, so I could (and would only ever) retire one but I may just spend the extra $400 on the Mini LED if end up having to buy a monitor sooner rather than later. I guess if I start to burn one in I could always put it on a work bench or move it somewhere else. Quite the dilemma of my own.

If latency if your true measure; it won't get any better than the LG C4/C5.
I appreciate the breakdown!
 
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Speaking of game costs…
I remember when arcade games were .25 cents, but Dragon’s Lair came on the scene either its $1 per play.
Dude, we used to ride our bikes up to the front of our neighborhood to a strip center where there was a Vietnamese restaurant that had Street fighter 2 championship edition and play that fucker for hours. Plus it was just a fewb stores down from the comic book store.

Kids these days don't know about the joy of going to an arcade back in the 80s and 90s. You'd see a machine and it could be something old like Galaga and it's like a moth to a flame. You ask your parents for a quarter, and go and play

We used to always have birthday parties for kids in the mall and they would do a team up with a pizza place and diamond Jim's. If you were part of the birthday party you would get double the tokens for your dollar, and each kid got so many for whatever.

I remember beating the Terminator 2 shooter game with a buddy, and the Aliens game at one of my birthdays, and you saved up whatever you could so you could, go in there and play to your heart's content. It was some of the most glorious evenings of my childhood. The arcade was yours.

I don't even want to know what it costs now to play a arcade game, but I do think there are places out there that have stuff where it's still a quarter like the good old days and people trying to keep that tradition alive.
 
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Also the D&D game, Tower of Something? The golden age of arcade co-op side-scroller fighters was amazing.
Yeah we had an arcade at the Post oak Mall in college station and we would still hit it up when we go to back in high school, and they had the d&d games. Those were fantastic, probably some of the best arcade games ever made.
 
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I love the old arcade games and roms. So much so I made my own home arcade with the replicas that have come out in the last few years.
 
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I love the old arcade games and roms. So much so I made my own home arcade with the replicas that have come out in the last few years.
I have to say probably my favorites were the Aliens game, Street Fighter, and the AVP game. I want to say it that was maybe a Konami deal, but our movie theater in Brenham has it, and we would play it all the time back in high school before we were going to see whatever movie.

It's just funny how there used to be arcade games all over the place at restaurants or malls, and even the airports. I used to have to fly a lot to go see my dad in Houston after my parents got divorced, download New Orleans airport had a pretty badass arcade, and I typically get a chance to spend a little bit of time there before my flight.

Even things like Pizza Hut though always had those tabletop versions of the old school games, and if you were a kid you just gravitated towards them.
 
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I think you’re way over concerned about burn in on new oleds. The lg C3 barely has any burn in at all with almost two years straight, no off time, of the CNN banner. Each generation has improved, or at least it used to, so I’m sure the c4 and c5 are even better. If you’re using it for 8 hours a day that’s at least 6 years of use before even minor burn in.

Edit: Also, the c4 just happened to go on sale on Amazon right after I posted this. It’s a sign!
I readily admit its probably an oversized fear on my behalf; again, I had "image persistence", which is what they called burn in on early LCD monitors, when 15-17-19 inch LCD monitors were still state of the art.

Really my manager has had his for 3 years now, not 2 and with active use, still no burn in, which speaks to their longevity. A sale you say?

Great, now I am going to have to figure out what to do with this old monitor I use as a back up sitting on my work bench if I pull the trigger, or or get a bigger desk. :)

Edit: Holy shit you weren't kidding: 42" C4 on sale for $800 at Amazon: LG C4 OLED Panel on sale right now at Amazon wow that link was f'ed up long.
 
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