I have an idea. Unfuck yourselves and take this convo to another thread or in tells. We"re gaying up the "Give 38 Studios Free Publicity" thread.
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You care about this thread? Theres really nothing of substance in this whole thing. I think there was a Yankees vs. Redsox derail back a hundred pages or so.
Yeah, this thread has run the gamut of many topics, from Sox vs. Yankees to Schilling vs. Bonds to engines, middleware and now class vs. skills.
I am all for a thread dedicated to a class vs. skill debate though and thought of it already. Hell, someone make it and even include a poll so people could vote!
I am all for a thread dedicated to a class vs. skill debate though and thought of it already. Hell, someone make it and even include a poll so people could vote!
Obviousely I am wasting my time talking to both of you then.Draegan said:
So be it. I am finnished.
I still see problems with that, referring to your pick lock skill for example, if you design dungeons that WILL have locks, then pick lock almost become an obligatory skill for everyone (as everyone tend to be more autonomous, they will want to have everything possible).Gaereth said:
Well said.Gaereth said:
I was to caught up in the tit for tat that I neglected to give my examples some life.
Thank you.
Down 2-0 and on the verge of being swept is quite rocky imo. The one thing that could save NY"s season and chance to win the division was sweeping Boston.. and they are about to do it.Geaux said:
This is the one thing that most armchair designers tend to forget.. human nature. The path of least resistance is the one that they will take.Lalala said:
That is the choice you make as a player. Either be more generalized for solo play, or specialized for group play. Either way you will be able to migrate between both as you wish because you are not locked into any particular path.Lalala said:
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And you experience the content on your own terms.
at least this skill based game will have a "community" as everyone sits in town with 4 of 5 for their group looking for that last healer that happens to have the Steroids skill to hit the rock far enough so that it trips the wire that opens the door to the next area.
I assume you are being sarcastic... But to address your point seriously, there is no reason why content can"t be as you described.Geaux said:
Instead of a key quest that unlocks the door, you have pick lock skills (that anyone might choose to train).
On one hand, you are required to play the game (complete the quest) the way the developer defines. If you have not, you do not get in.
On the other you have chosen not to have the skill and are waiting for someone who has, to help you.
Which one resembles real community to you?
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Keep in mind, that if your community was limited, you could always chose to shift your skills more towards lock picking yourself. Because you are not locked into a class.
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I never played them but wasn"t the Thief series built around stealthing to victory versus combat? That could certainly form part of a new MMO. Similiarly VG"s diplomacy had it been actually integrated with dungeons and not cities could have formed an alternate way to beat (intelligent) bosses.Draegan said:
Anyway what what an MMO split between standard tank/healer/dps combat and stealth (ignoring dip) require in addition to t/d/c/h:
Disguise/illusion abilities
Stealth/distract abilties (think Alec Guiness in SW turning the guards around) and/or inviz and generic hide in shadows.
Climbing and long-distance jumping abilities (for rooftops).
Silent kill abilities (garrote, etc.)
How could this combine with a regular MMO? The rogue/ninja/thief/stealth-guy might have to climb over the walls of random_boss_castle kill a few guys w/o raising an alert to lower the bridge over the moat to let the rest of the raid on in.
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Memo to 2bit: For fucks sake is there any Blizz action/decision/mechanic-fuck-up that you won"t defend? Talk about a fucking shill. Props to Blizz for what they did right and making a game that has 8 gazillioin subs worldwide but come on man.
Plenty, is there any you won"t attack? For fuck"s sake dude, you tried to claim that FD pulling was awesome and should be included in future games. Here is a real protip.. pulling fucking blows chunks for everyone but the guy pulling becuase you get to sit in a room and do nothing until single mobs are served to you on a platter. Go play EQ if you want that shit.. leave it in the 1st gen where it belongs.tad10 said:
Not quite unlike that fantastic scenario you just oulined above. Yeah, I want to pull my pud while someone else gets to play fucking ninja. Sounds like a blast! Or it sounds like a game where 70% of the population is a fucking ninja.
I think it"s pertinent to use WOW examples since most people can easily recognize them. WOW got an incredibly large amount of things right in my opinion, which I havn"t found in any current MMO, which is why I still play it.
All your climbing abilities are fine and dandy. Throw them in the game. Why not. Though my quote was supposed to refer to a classless game.
All your climbing abilities are fine and dandy. Throw them in the game. Why not. Though my quote was supposed to refer to a classless game.
Yeah I think people are really all over the place with their ideas. Some people are talking about class vs. skills and others are talking about random shit. No rhyme or reason to it and it"s hard to tell who is who anymore.Draegan said:
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There was nothing wrong with fd pulling, as it was entirely optional. In your system, instead of having it as something optional to maybe eek into a dungeon a level or two ahead of when most did, you just write it off entirely and are shit out of luck.
There is a big difference between being required, and adding in pulling skills to simply make things easier, the exact fucking same way crowd control spells like sheep and mez do. Did you need the monk to fd pull? No. Was it required? No. Did it make life easier, letting you push the envelope of your group a little more? Sure. It was a melee form of crowd control, and as someone who chain pulled for many an xp group, I rarely if ever used it as it did what you said....slowed down things to a crawl, I just always had new mobs in camp as the old ones were dying. Fd pulling everything would have made it boring, my group would have hated me, and it would have been incredibly slow in any sense of xp over time. It wasn"t required for any raid content either, except for maybe bleeding edge which is only a tiny fraction of content, and of that only a tiny amount needed monks to feign pull shit.
There is a big difference between being required, and adding in pulling skills to simply make things easier, the exact fucking same way crowd control spells like sheep and mez do. Did you need the monk to fd pull? No. Was it required? No. Did it make life easier, letting you push the envelope of your group a little more? Sure. It was a melee form of crowd control, and as someone who chain pulled for many an xp group, I rarely if ever used it as it did what you said....slowed down things to a crawl, I just always had new mobs in camp as the old ones were dying. Fd pulling everything would have made it boring, my group would have hated me, and it would have been incredibly slow in any sense of xp over time. It wasn"t required for any raid content either, except for maybe bleeding edge which is only a tiny fraction of content, and of that only a tiny amount needed monks to feign pull shit.