Well he specifically stated a part of the map would lead to a bigger piece of the quest. Why would they make a game where the goal of content meant nothing? Not really an argument there is there?James said:
While this only works the first or second time you do a mob, I feel all character progression should be done this way. Farming boars for experience points to ding a level seems...outdated and trite. Let me climb the wizard"s tower to learn to cast fireballs or fight alongside an ancient hero"s ghost in order to learn his deadly mortal strike ability. Let me bathe in the fires of Ragnaros to increase my resistance to frost damage or study in some lost library to increase my intelligence.Citten said:
*cough cough* Players get to pick a pre-set number of items from the bosses table. Toss in the job system as a gravy bonus and bosses now last forever with 100x less frustration. *cough cough*Ngruk said:
Didnt the live side guk king hold the mithril 2h when he had it? I remember that being pretty exciting, especially since it was rumored the haste effect helped him, and he was already pretty hard.Bizanich said:
If this was directed to me, no, I didn"t suggest AAs.Zehn - Vhex said:
I would say combining what you said there is a attribute based progression would be ideal. Having hard caps on when you can learn a spell such as "you need 76 base intelligence and 70 base wisdom to learn this spell". In order to learn a certain new warrior attack from a mob in a temple you have to travel to you must have a strength of 83 and dexterity of 68. This type of system would also lend itself well to various types of builds.Zehn - Vhex said:
LOL I can remember fighting the Frenzied Ghoul and all of us in the group going "do you think he is hitting faster, he seems to be hitting faster, he must have the sash this time!!!". Never really worked, but ya, every time you tried to determine if he had it anyhow.Gieve said:
Best I heard of was taking a relatively expensive sword with a dmg proc and giving it to a mob in a newbie zone, the noobs would see the sword and immediately attack the mob with $ signs in their eyes and the second or 3rd swing the mob took would be the end of them in a 1-shot proc. Cruel, but oh so entertaining.
you know what I loved? Zul garub.Ninen said:
The point is though it is alot more of a gradual progression of power to get one point here, one spell there, and all with quests or mobs you kill or places you visit as the reason for the gains in power instead of "ok I just killed 600 orcs and dinged, now I can spend 40 gold and get 5 new spells from the trainer".Kuro said:
The goal is...Kuro said:
Anarchy Online did this already, and it ended up with the game being one giant math equation for min-maxing, and the economy was driven by stat-centric items (like those stupid pillows), where playing the game became a chore if you didn"t buy/quest for certain items at specific milestones. I agree that classes should have multiple playstyles, but centering it around attribute points is mind-numbingly dull and trite.Tropics said:
You REALLY snipped that quote for brevity.Cadrid said:
I"ve always had a thought on this. Make AA"s unlocked by finishing dungeons/group content throughout all levels. Have a mentoring system similar to EQ2 so that even if you are max level you can be of the appropriate level/gear (and the AA would only be unlocked if you mentored down to the content"s level). Now there"s a reason to go back and do those dungeons you outleveled or skipped for whatever reason. Old content would be much more relevant and it would be much easier to find groups.Zehn - Vhex said:
EQ actually did fiddle with this a little in DoN. The raid progression gave you something like +200 hps/mana tier 1, +2% spell/melee crit at tier 2, etc. Nothing game-breaking by any means, but was a nice bonus.Zehn - Vhex said:
This is true, the reality is that WOW has touched on most of the great ideas talked about on the past couple pages but they did not implement them throughout the game and use them to good effect. EQ"s world almost seems that it was built for things such as the above discussions. The ancient libraries, ruins, old mobs, the fact that many spells were learned from rare scrolls, these types of things would have been a cakewalk to implement in meaningful ways such as putting a rare scroll in the library in Kaesora such that it can simply be looted from the shelf or a desk, having a necromancer learn the high level lich summon after killing a high level necro NPC and reading scrawlings on his wall of the spell, simply click on the scrawlings which give you a lit up cursor, you get a popup that tels you this seems to be a high level lich summoning spell, you click "learn the spell" and it is recorded into your spell book. I like that vast amounts better then paying 20 gold to a trainer to learn the spell.OneofOne said:
EQ really did this imo in a couple of great ways. An obvious example would be the Enchanter animated Pet spells which from level 8 onwards were only obtainable from an NPC in Highkeep. Highkeep was in the middle of Norrath, far away from both Freeport and Qeynos and required you to traverse the Highpass(if you made it through East Karana off course) with level 16-20-ish Gnolls at one end of the canyon and the same level Orcs at the other end of the canyon. All of them KoS off course. But the coolest thing was that they did not leave the Enchanter entirely in the cold: the Chanter is the class that gets the Invisability spell at level 4, earliest of all caster classes (who got it at level 8) so from level 4 onwards an Enchanter had a fair shot of making it through Highpass and reach Highkeep.Tropics said:
This would be very interesting if everything from the beginning required this. You could build in short-circuit paths for alts... maybe.Zehn - Vhex said: