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If you play control, I don't see why you'd bother with a gamble play on turn 3. Just play a harvest golem, or your hero power and pass. You'll win later anyway in almost all cases. If you play against an aggro lock there's a good chance you haven't been clearing enough for him not to kill the mukla either with a power overwhelming, soulfire+shit mob or a banana on a murloc that has murloc buffs. It really doesn't do that much, if you want to play an early annoying mob in a control deck, the ancient guardians+taunt options or pyromancer+0/1cost spells are a ton better.

I think the only time mukla would be really good is if you go first and innervate it on turn 1. That's most likely game right there, maybe a mage can deal with it by coining a frostbolt then playing another frostbolt and such stuff but a 5/5 on turn 1 when going first is just stupid. Bonus point for mark of the wild turn 2 on it ^^.

Also drawing Mukla lategame tends to be complete shit. A 5/5 is nice but the reduced cost doesn't do much and giving the bananas lategame to an opponent is awful.

The Ancient_sl said:

And here you've traded 3 mana and 1 card for 2-3 mana and 2+ cards. Value.

He's got 2 Harvest golems in the deck I believe, the argument that they are better isn't applicable.

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Oh it's still about Curi's warlock control deck, didn't read all the posts just skimmed and saw mukla discussion in control decks. In warlock I could see it being ok because you can tap to keep up so might not be as bad.

That said, it's 1card for 2cards but you also give them 2 +1/+1 cards. They're not great cards but in a warlock aggro deck, a 1cost +1/+1 is actually pretty fucking good with all the shit mobs you get out each turn. They also serve as RNG fodder for soulfire.

I'm sure he played with it a bit and find it better than other cards, I just don't really see how against all the locks currently. I think he'd be better off with a thalnos for 2pt mortal coil/5pt soulfire or something like that.

Was watching some chinese hearthstone tournament earlier, koyuki and monk were casting it, it's the games they play inbetween dota2 games. Anyway, was some fairly interesting stuff but the most interesting was an OTK druid. Not like 30hp OTK, even though that's possible too, but some insane damage. He managed to deal 24 damage even though there was an ancient of war in taunt mode on the board(and he actually ended up overkilling it by like 3damage since he didn't have the right numbers). That was with iirc only 4mobs on the board but he had a stupid hand to get that amount. Granted unlike warrior OTK and shit like that, it requires you to have stuff on the board, since it relies on Savage Roar obviously, but he combined it with Savagery and claw/bite for more burst damage. He then won against the last deck of his opponent, some control lock that got raped all game from a bad start and by the time he recovered(shadowflame) he had lost too much hp and cards to be able to actually win.

Anyway was a pretty interesting deck, it's fairly similar to control druid but trades some of the cards for bite/savagery/savage roar and violet teacher(lots of spells so lots of tokens and tokens are deadly if they're not cleared regularily). I might check it out cause it seemed pretty fun, not many people expect a seemingly control druid(few creatures mostly killing shit as you drop it) to go and burst 15-20 damage in one turn. Don't have an alextraza though.

Neph_sl said:

Sounds like Onyxia might be good in that type of deck. Could it work with Shaman and Bloodlust, too?

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Onyxia is kinda slow, need to play it then hope the opponent doesn't have a sweep to kill all the whelps. Alex works by either doing 15damage instantly, or healing you up so you can live one more turn, potentially 2, to get the combo.

For shamans I don't know, Bloodlust is a lot more mana for one, it does 1more damage per mob but also doesn't buff your hero so unless you have a large amount of mobs, the mana efficiency is awful compared to savage roar. And then you're missing out on the claw/bite/hero power/savage roar+savagery combo which adds a large amount of burst to your combo. It gives you more ways to deal large damage too, not just hoping to draw a savage roar, you can for example bite+hero power+savagery to do 10damage, and that's just 2 cards together. Shaman can get Windfury and Rockbiter on a mob to increase the damage a lot too though, it's just a lot more reliant on your board.

I think the main issue might be the other cards. Druid can run stuff like druid of the claw and keeper of the grove to control shit/make room, and Ancient of Lore/Regrowth to draw the cards for your combo, especially ancient of lore. Also Innervates to get as much value as possible in a single turn.

In comparison, Shaman has shit for draws other than neutrals and it's mostly reliant on having certain minions up(mana totem, having cult master before you suicide shit, having auctioneer before casting a couple of spells etc). It's just not good at drawing cards. Then the shaman great cards, earth elem and fire elem, aren't really that good for that style of play, they need to be up before you bloodlust as they don't have a direct effect(I mean fire elem does 3 but that's not gonna kill a big taunter and isn't very good to the face, plus you can't fire elem and bloodlust in the same turn). If you compare to dropping a 4/4charge druid of the claw before a savagery for added burst or a keeper to silence a taunter, it's not nearly as good. The only good aspect is shamans are as good if not better than druids in terms of spell removal, but the issue is all of it overloads you, which makes doing OTK combos a lot harder when you might not have your full mana every turn because of having to clear shit.

On the other hand, a shaman can OTK with a single minion on the board assuming you have windfury, 2rockbiters and bloodlust in your hand. Depends on the minion and how much life left the opponent has, but even on a totem with 0base attack, that's 18damage in one turn.

Really? Don't seem so bad to me, you don't need a lot of minions and you don't really need to necessarily OTK, you can play control and simply use the combo cards to do a finisher. Savage Roar+Force of Nature is a 2card combo for 14damage, Bite+Savagery+Hero power is a 2cards combo for 10, add a claw and it's 14 dmg combo.

Here's a decklist I put together fairly quickly, there might be some tweaks here and there. At the core, it's very much like the normal control druid. You trade one swipe and one starfall for 2 bites, 2 ancient of war for 2 violet teachers, Ragnaros for Alexstraza then you make room for 2x Savage Roar, 1x Savagery and 1x Force of Nature by removing stuff like ancient guardians or pyromancer, free cards really. The tweaks would be removing some of the druid mobs or the argus to add one more savagery or more early game with ancient guardians+another argus and such. Adding the combo stuff makes some aspects weaker, like the lategame, but it adds another win condition with the OTK potential.

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Edit: Forgot Leeroy, replace whatever for it, Argus, Black Knight, depends I guess.

Byr_sl said:

let us know how it goes.

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I don't have most of the cards and don't wanna bother disenchanting stuff I could need later just to make the deck, that and I don't really play constructed either. I'm playing a traditional control druid and a semi OTK rogue atm(it's not like super OTK but it can easily do 15+damage burst in a turn and with perfect hand it could do 30) whenever I do play.