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Kithani

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So today I find myself pondering something involving Chez Haus.

We have a pretty tiny scrap left on a ~3% interest mortgage (To the tune of less than a decent new car amount of money). I have kept to my logic that the money I can deploy is making more than the mortgage rate so it doesn't make sense to pay it off. This seems to be good logical thinking.

But now I'm realizing the high yield savings account I keep a good portion of my "quickly accessible buffer cash" in has two characteristics which is giving me pause :
  • The bank has dropped the interest rate for the third time this year. It's now only paying around .3% more than my mortgage rate
  • The amount I have over time squirreled away into this account is around 150% what it would take to pay off the mortgage.
So now, on this chilly Saturday, I am sitting here wondering if the "good feeling" having my mortgage wholly paid off would give me would be worth losing that .3% yield benefit....

Am I insane? Is there something I'm not considering here? Should I instead move it into something just more lucrative (like SPY at a minimum...)
The difference in outcomes prob not worth the time you’ve spent thinking on it :p
 
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So today I find myself pondering something involving Chez Haus.

We have a pretty tiny scrap left on a ~3% interest mortgage (To the tune of less than a decent new car amount of money). I have kept to my logic that the money I can deploy is making more than the mortgage rate so it doesn't make sense to pay it off. This seems to be good logical thinking.

But now I'm realizing the high yield savings account I keep a good portion of my "quickly accessible buffer cash" in has two characteristics which is giving me pause :
  • The bank has dropped the interest rate for the third time this year. It's now only paying around .3% more than my mortgage rate
  • The amount I have over time squirreled away into this account is around 150% what it would take to pay off the mortgage.
So now, on this chilly Saturday, I am sitting here wondering if the "good feeling" having my mortgage wholly paid off would give me would be worth losing that .3% yield benefit....

Am I insane? Is there something I'm not considering here? Should I instead move it into something just more lucrative (like SPY at a minimum...)
Plus you're paying taxes on the interest you're getting from that savings.
 

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A bit late to the party, but the first design looks good. Could try some modifications by taking queues from the third. They centered a larger door setup just fine on the third one. You also have a double door option and I love me some metal double doors.

Not a fan of flower boxes unless you seriously think the wife (or you) is going to keep them going. Plus, if you put furniture in front of the window, it makes it that much harder to keep them looking good/growing, due to access, or it limits what you are willing to place in front of the windows, inside. So nix them and take the design queues from the third render. Move the design inside the yellow boxes (other than the windows) up onto the first render and drop (or maybe even keep) the middle awning.
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Just picked the first few metal doors on GiS, there are a ton that look awesome, but hard to say how they would matchup on that particular house:
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So today I find myself pondering something involving Chez Haus.

We have a pretty tiny scrap left on a ~3% interest mortgage (To the tune of less than a decent new car amount of money). I have kept to my logic that the money I can deploy is making more than the mortgage rate so it doesn't make sense to pay it off. This seems to be good logical thinking.

But now I'm realizing the high yield savings account I keep a good portion of my "quickly accessible buffer cash" in has two characteristics which is giving me pause :
  • The bank has dropped the interest rate for the third time this year. It's now only paying around .3% more than my mortgage rate
  • The amount I have over time squirreled away into this account is around 150% what it would take to pay off the mortgage.
So now, on this chilly Saturday, I am sitting here wondering if the "good feeling" having my mortgage wholly paid off would give me would be worth losing that .3% yield benefit....

Am I insane? Is there something I'm not considering here? Should I instead move it into something just more lucrative (like SPY at a minimum...)
.3% of 100k is 300 dollars, nice car is 50ish k. I'm guessing remaining life of loan you're probably less than net 500 in gains from interest. The absolutely pure right thing to do is net the cash, but I'm in the same boat as you - there's a psychological joy in not having an ounce of debt owed. My mortgage is 2.5% and I'm still putting in extra every month and even occasionally pondering just erasing it completely. I guess the other aspect is if you are itemizing your deductions - I'm firmly in standard deduction land, so, that's not a factor for me. Lastly is just other opportunity cost of that money - do you have enough savings to cover emergency expenses, toys you might want, etc.
 

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.3% of 100k is 300 dollars, nice car is 50ish k. I'm guessing remaining life of loan you're probably less than net 500 in gains from interest. The absolutely pure right thing to do is net the cash, but I'm in the same boat as you - there's a psychological joy in not having an ounce of debt owed. My mortgage is 2.5% and I'm still putting in extra every month and even occasionally pondering just erasing it completely. I guess the other aspect is if you are itemizing your deductions - I'm firmly in standard deduction land, so, that's not a factor for me. Lastly is just other opportunity cost of that money - do you have enough savings to cover emergency expenses, toys you might want, etc.
When I had around a nice car left, I meant in the principal, and if $50k is what it takes to get a nice car now, then it's less than a nice car left.... Around $36k
 

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When I had around a nice car left, I meant in the principal, and if $50k is what it takes to get a nice car now, then it's less than a nice car left.... Around $36k
I knew what you meant, I was just using it to ballpark what you stood to gain. So you've probably got less than 2 years of payments left I'm guessing? Any big purchases you were thinking of saving up for once the house was paid off? I'd think with the way things are going, I'd rather make the purchase in today's dollars if it's my own money. You also wouldn't be able to secure a line of credit that cheap for quite a while. Still is nice to just be debt free, in your shoes, I'd probably do the "irrational" thing and pay it off, I'm probably going do do that when my mortgage gets down to that level.
 

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The smart play was always to dump into spy, but since you've had it in a bank account earning interest, you're obviously not aiming for the smart play. The arbitrage in difference between paying off early or not in this situation is so small I'd just pay it off if it makes you feel good.

The real gigachad move is to refinance the whole value of your house and invest it in spy, then start your loan all over again.
 
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Haus

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I knew what you meant, I was just using it to ballpark what you stood to gain. So you've probably got less than 2 years of payments left I'm guessing? Any big purchases you were thinking of saving up for once the house was paid off? I'd think with the way things are going, I'd rather make the purchase in today's dollars if it's my own money. You also wouldn't be able to secure a line of credit that cheap for quite a while. Still is nice to just be debt free, in your shoes, I'd probably do the "irrational" thing and pay it off, I'm probably going do do that when my mortgage gets down to that level.
Only big purchase would be the potential of "buying land away from town to build the forever house on" and that's a far larger scale than what's left. It's also probably something I'd cash out my outsized bucket of stock in my current company to do. But I am also in my mid 50's so looking at tightening and controlling my monthly burn rate (something I do every January it seems) leading into eventual retirement.
 
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The smart play was always to dump into spy, but since you've had it in a bank account earning interest, you're obviously not aiming for the smart play. The arbitrage in difference between paying off early or not in this situation is so small I'd just pay it off if it makes you feel good.

The real gigachad move is to refinance the whole value of your house and invest it in spy, then start your loan all over again.
The fact of it being in a bank account is part of my "speed to money" habit which came from my post depression era grandfather. It starts with that adage about "Always have 6 months of your expenses readily available in case of emergency", which for me I've always seen as something like "Unexpectedly got RIF'd from your company". That's what I think of as "Quickly accessible assets", and I would just tuck money away almost subconsciously into that as a security blanket.
  1. First Tier - Cash on hand, or in a checking/savings account.
  2. Second tier of "distance" would be something in a brokerage account (I would have to sell it, let the sell settle, then xfer the cash out to use it).
  3. Third tier is 401k style accounts where I would pay a penalty to withdraws.
  4. Last tier is real estate (i.e. my house)
Doing my January fiscal review and I now realize that the amount of tier 1 money I have has gotten to be much larger than the remaining mortgage balance (the only outstanding debt on the books right now) to the degree I could pay off the mortgage and still have close to double my "6 month buffer" still in tier 1 assets.

The thing keeping me from being more "Chad" to "GigaChad" is mostly the conservative post depression era grandfather who put most of my thinking about money into my head... But it does definitely make logical sense to have the equity in the house working in the market.
 
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In the early retirement community, that scenario comes up very often. The bulk of people find paying off the mortgage to be worthwhile for peace of mind, even though it's not the ultimate min-max option.
 
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The fact of it being in a bank account is part of my "speed to money" habit which came from my post depression era grandfather. It starts with that adage about "Always have 6 months of your expenses readily available in case of emergency", which for me I've always seen as something like "Unexpectedly got RIF'd from your company". That's what I think of as "Quickly accessible assets", and I would just tuck money away almost subconsciously into that as a security blanket.
  1. First Tier - Cash on hand, or in a checking/savings account.
  2. Second tier of "distance" would be something in a brokerage account (I would have to sell it, let the sell settle, then xfer the cash out to use it).
  3. Third tier is 401k style accounts where I would pay a penalty to withdraws.
  4. Last tier is real estate (i.e. my house)
Doing my January fiscal review and I now realize that the amount of tier 1 money I have has gotten to be much larger than the remaining mortgage balance (the only outstanding debt on the books right now) to the degree I could pay off the mortgage and still have close to double my "6 month buffer" still in tier 1 assets.

The thing keeping me from being more "Chad" to "GigaChad" is mostly the conservative post depression era grandfather who put most of my thinking about money into my head... But it does definitely make logical sense to have the equity in the house working in the market.

Pretty much nobody can play the perfectly optimal path when it comes to finances, everything has its give and take. Doing sub-optimal things can often feel great. The more important thing is not to be retarded with your money. Paying your house off is objectively not retarded in your current situation, so I'd say go for it.
 
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Pretty much nobody can play the perfectly optimal path when it comes to finances, everything has its give and take. Doing sub-optimal things can often feel great. The more important thing is not to be retarded with your money. Paying your house off is objectively not retarded in your current situation, so I'd say go for it.
Same. Just pay it the fuck off