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Sanrith Descartes

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Cramer's take on WYNN:

A Wynn Warning and an Eye on Cisco
By Jim Cramer and the AAP Team | Sep 14, 2021 1:41 PM EDT

Shares of (WYNN) are taking a beating Tuesday on news that the Macau SAR government is reviewing its gaming laws and proposing additional regulatory oversight aimed at tightening control over the casino industry, according to an article here.

The news is a tough pill to swallow, and it is further testing our patience, because it raises more questions than answers. Here's the thing: We find it hard to imagine Macau authorities will place major restrictions on gambling, the most important industry to the region's economy. According to the article, 80% of government revenues and 55.5% of Macau's gross domestic product comes from gaming. What this means is that gaming is simply too important to Macau's economy to impair the industry. Macau needs operators like Wynn to invest in the region and employ locals. But, on the other hand, we have seen the Chinese government crackdown on Alibaba (BABA) and Tencent (TCEHY) in recent weeks, and those tech companies are viewed as national champions. As of right now, no company is too big or too important to escape regulation.

The news also comes at an unfortunate time, because it lands one day after we saw a survey that showed how strong the pent-up demand to travel to Macau is. According to a recent survey within a research note put out by Morgan Stanley, Wynn Palace and Wynn Macau were both fully booked for the upcoming 2021 October Golden Week, with occupancy up 60% to 70% from the Golden Week in May. Of course, travel to Macau is still subject to possible COVID-19 restrictions in the future, but data like this adds to our confidence in the eventual recovery of Macau.

Meanwhile, the company has more to it than just Macau. It's properties in Vegas are operating at a record adjusted EBITDA margin, thanks to the recovery in revenues along with cost controls, and Encore Boston Harbor continues to put up strong results, too. The company is also in the process of building out Wynn Interactive, its online gaming platform that operates in a $45 billion North American sports betting and iGaming market.

To bring it back to today's news, the question we are asking ourselves with this major disappointment and 11% selloff is will the concerns over lingering COVID-19 restrictions and fresh regulation cause a drip, drip, drip in stock price, or will this selloff prove to be an overreaction? We are willing to be patient over COVID-19 restrictions, because those will prove to be transient -- despite the constant step forward, step backward action. But regulation is a new wrinkle that we are trying to better understand. For now, we are in the camp that Tuesday's selloff is in an overaction with the stock price approaching the recent bottom it made in late August. At the same time, right now we are hesitant to commit any more capital into this position, especially with our cautious near-term market view.
 
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I don't trust any chinese stocks or paths of making money. Thinking that chinese gambling will be a big win long term is probably vaporware, as china has always been pretty anti gambling. There's one holiday, CCP day or something probably, where they turn a blind eye to that rule for a few days, but other than that most gambling involving china is pretty strongly fought by the government.
 

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I don't trust any chinese stocks or paths of making money. Thinking that chinese gambling will be a big win long term is probably vaporware, as china has always been pretty anti gambling. There's one holiday, CCP day or something probably, where they turn a blind eye to that rule for a few days, but other than that most gambling involving china is pretty strongly fought by the government.
Umm, what?

"80% of government revenues and 55.5% of Macau's gross domestic product comes from gaming."
 

Sanrith Descartes

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I think the close today gonna be oogly. I have about 10 orders still open and am curious if anyone of them pop.
 

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Keep an eye on spreads. Im starting to see spreads on highly liquid popular stocks moving beyond a penny.
 

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I don't trust any chinese stocks or paths of making money. Thinking that chinese gambling will be a big win long term is probably vaporware, as china has always been pretty anti gambling. There's one holiday, CCP day or something probably, where they turn a blind eye to that rule for a few days, but other than that most gambling involving china is pretty strongly fought by the government.
I see what the Chinese government did to my shares of BABA, JD, Bidu and PDD. They cut those shares in half. I can't do it again. Those are great companies, but everyone is afraid the government. When the US says they are going after a company, the shares dip .5%. When the Chinese government says it, they drop 50%.
 

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Cramer's take on WYNN:

At the same time, right now we are hesitant to commit any more capital into this position, especially with our cautious near-term market view.
I bought the dip on BABA all the way down from 319 to 220. When we were in Disney World this Christmas, I was buying then. Its been drip drip dripping for almost 10 months now.

I could be wrong, but now the shorts have the Chinese travel stocks.
 

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S&P coming up on the 50 ma, its been bouncing off of this for almost a year now, lets see if it repeats

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Cramer's take on WYNN:

A Wynn Warning and an Eye on Cisco
By Jim Cramer and the AAP Team | Sep 14, 2021 1:41 PM EDT

Shares of (WYNN) are taking a beating Tuesday on news that the Macau SAR government is reviewing its gaming laws and proposing additional regulatory oversight aimed at tightening control over the casino industry, according to an article here.

The news is a tough pill to swallow, and it is further testing our patience, because it raises more questions than answers. Here's the thing: We find it hard to imagine Macau authorities will place major restrictions on gambling, the most important industry to the region's economy. According to the article, 80% of government revenues and 55.5% of Macau's gross domestic product comes from gaming. What this means is that gaming is simply too important to Macau's economy to impair the industry. Macau needs operators like Wynn to invest in the region and employ locals. But, on the other hand, we have seen the Chinese government crackdown on Alibaba (BABA) and Tencent (TCEHY) in recent weeks, and those tech companies are viewed as national champions. As of right now, no company is too big or too important to escape regulation.

The news also comes at an unfortunate time, because it lands one day after we saw a survey that showed how strong the pent-up demand to travel to Macau is. According to a recent survey within a research note put out by Morgan Stanley, Wynn Palace and Wynn Macau were both fully booked for the upcoming 2021 October Golden Week, with occupancy up 60% to 70% from the Golden Week in May. Of course, travel to Macau is still subject to possible COVID-19 restrictions in the future, but data like this adds to our confidence in the eventual recovery of Macau.

Meanwhile, the company has more to it than just Macau. It's properties in Vegas are operating at a record adjusted EBITDA margin, thanks to the recovery in revenues along with cost controls, and Encore Boston Harbor continues to put up strong results, too. The company is also in the process of building out Wynn Interactive, its online gaming platform that operates in a $45 billion North American sports betting and iGaming market.

To bring it back to today's news, the question we are asking ourselves with this major disappointment and 11% selloff is will the concerns over lingering COVID-19 restrictions and fresh regulation cause a drip, drip, drip in stock price, or will this selloff prove to be an overreaction? We are willing to be patient over COVID-19 restrictions, because those will prove to be transient -- despite the constant step forward, step backward action. But regulation is a new wrinkle that we are trying to better understand. For now, we are in the camp that Tuesday's selloff is in an overaction with the stock price approaching the recent bottom it made in late August. At the same time, right now we are hesitant to commit any more capital into this position, especially with our cautious near-term market view.

meh, china is preparing it's country for total war. I wonder how much aapl cramer holds
 

Shonuff

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Until Emperor Xi says China is open for business, tough to invest here any more. And this is coming from Cathy Woods! She'll buy any pooch.

 

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Diana shipping, was at 4.5$ or so last week just got a price target of 12.9. Been shooting up hard. Currently at 6.12$ Or so. If anyone wants to jump on that over next few months i could see it get close to 12$ no problem. I actually picked this one by shit luck before the announcement looking for sub 10$ stocks to jump on. I think i posted on it a while back
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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I bought the dip on BABA all the way down from 319 to 220. When we were in Disney World this Christmas, I was buying then. Its been drip drip dripping for almost 10 months now.

I could be wrong, but now the shorts have the Chinese travel stocks.
Oh i saw the shorts grab control of BABA once they realized buyers weren't going to make them pay. It's why I bailed and ate the loss on it.
 

Shonuff

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Oh i saw the shorts grab control of BABA once they realized buyers weren't going to make them pay. It's why I bailed and ate the loss on it.
Unfortunately, I think its going to be like this for the gaming stocks in China. I'll look for opportunities to short. If they can do that to BABA, they can do that to anything.
 

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196k in the charitable trust, with a cost basis of $19 per share. Jeez, I wish I had that stock basis.
AAPL at $19 a share. That's Forrest Gump shit right there. Actually that's post split. I am at like 50 post split. Splits always fuck me up conceptually.