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Sanrith Descartes

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Thing I've been pondering....

My grandfather raised me always believing in having a cash pool accessible. In his world, being post-depression era, that meant literally stashed cash. In my world that has been some cash on hand, but mostly cash in easily accessible places like interest earning savings accounts.

But also, in his era the concept of owning stocks, being able to sell them and get the funds in a few days was unheard of unless you were exorbitantly wealthy.

With that in mind I have been debating if I should reposition some of the "cash fund" into the market, but in a way that is still moderately easy to liquidate should I need it. Although also with credit cards as a buffer the speed at which I might need to access it is extended.

So what should the good allocation into "readily accessible liquidity" really be in this day and age? I'm talking well past the common wisdom of 3/6 months expenses as an emergency fund.
I generally believe 12 months of cash equivalents. That would allow you to ride out all but the most brutal of downturns without having to sell a single stock to pay your bills.

It's like insurance, if you never need it you are pissed at wasting the money. If you do need it, its priceless and the best investment you every made.
 
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I generally believe 12 months of cash equivalents. That would allow you to ride out all but the most brutal of downturns without having to sell a single stock to pay your bills.

It's like insurance, if you never need it you are pissed at wasting the money. If you do need it, its priceless and the best investment you every made.
Yeah, I started at 3/6 months which was what my grandfathers yardstick for such things was. Right now my cash equivalents is hovering around 15 months. If I also consider my "play fund" of crypto that bolsters it up to around 22-24 months. Which I could squeeze further by tightening spending more if an emergency did happen. Past that I add in 1/2 the available credit lines I have on credit cards for "really extreme emergency where I have to live off cards" and it stretches to a bit past 40 months.

Past that I have my personal investment stocks, my retirement/401k funds, a bucket of stock in my company, and the equity of an almost completely paid off house, which I classify as the "don't want to touch that" asset pool.

My thought was the part of cash equivalents currently in an interest earning savings account (Interest rate just dropped to 3.2% apy) were large enough that even if it took a 30% from a "market downturn" would it still be sufficient for 12 months. So possibly shifting that into something like a conservative ETF that I could still liquidate fast if need be. And possibly double up or a bit more that APY on it with average market action.
 
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I generally believe 12 months of cash equivalents. That would allow you to ride out all but the most brutal of downturns without having to sell a single stock to pay your bills.

It's like insurance, if you never need it you are pissed at wasting the money. If you do need it, its priceless and the best investment you every made.
I have thoughts on this and in no way am I saying that I’m right. But knowing that my dollars are just melting value inside a bank account is too much for me to bear. So I keep about 6 months of mortgage payments in a CD plus my checking account. I put my “savings” into a mix of SPMO/VGT and some cc income funds that pay me about $500/month that I DRIP but could collect in a pinch. If that’s too risky, throw it in a yield or dividend fund like VYM or DGRO. I also have $150k in gold and silver (purchased in 2019ish for $40k). If I deplete my CD, I’ll sell an ounce of gold or a few shares of VGT to cover. Even if the market crashes, so be it, I’ve made far more money and sharing a few shares in an emergency won’t kill me, but let my cash rot in a bank, fuck that. I had this very conversation with myself when I bought my gold in 2019. I asked myself, do I trust gold to go up more or do I trust dollars to go up more? Once I recognized that the gold was a way better emergency fund and just like channeling fiat into an asset…the easier and less scared I got about downturns. I made the right choice. If nothing else, at least park some of your fiat in some physical gold or silver. It may fluctuate but I doubt you’d take a bath unless you did the panic buying that was going on. 5-10 ounces of gold is never a bad idea and easily liquidated. And if you’re that concerned about selling in a downturn, get a HELOC until you ride out the downturn.

Just my thoughts. Fuck banks.
 
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Yeah, I started at 3/6 months which was what my grandfathers yardstick for such things was. Right now my cash equivalents is hovering around 15 months. If I also consider my "play fund" of crypto that bolsters it up to around 22-24 months. Which I could squeeze further by tightening spending more if an emergency did happen. Past that I add in 1/2 the available credit lines I have on credit cards for "really extreme emergency where I have to live off cards" and it stretches to a bit past 40 months.

Past that I have my personal investment stocks, my retirement/401k funds, a bucket of stock in my company, and the equity of an almost completely paid off house, which I classify as the "don't want to touch that" asset pool.

My thought was the part of cash equivalents currently in an interest earning savings account (Interest rate just dropped to 3.2% apy) were large enough that even if it took a 30% from a "market downturn" would it still be sufficient for 12 months. So possibly shifting that into something like a conservative ETF that I could still liquidate fast if need be. And possibly double up or a bit more that APY on it with average market action.
This was almost my exact exercise. How long could I live off of credit/HELOC/gold/etc without having to sell something at a loss. I used to keep much larger balances before 2019 but not anymore. My accounts are large enough and old enough, that as you said, even if I have to sell at 30% off from today, I’d still be in the green. Get some gold, even if it goes down 10-20% from here, it’s a nice thing to hold on to.
 

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I generally believe 12 months of cash equivalents. That would allow you to ride out all but the most brutal of downturns without having to sell a single stock to pay your bills.

It's like insurance, if you never need it you are pissed at wasting the money. If you do need it, its priceless and the best investment you every made.
I don't know anyone would live other wise. I keep 6 months of expenses in savings and another 6 months in a 6 month cd. Also usually have another few months in my checking account just because.
 
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Keep in mind gentlemen, you can park that cash in your Fidelity brokerage account uninvested. Fidelity cash is put into SPAXX (government money market) that is yielding 3.79% as of writing this. (Sans a bit of expense ratio). There is zero reason to be locking your cash up in some shitty bank CD, nor a “savings” account paying next to nothing. As an added bonus, it’s sitting waiting to be deployed on the next flash crash panic like the Trump tariff day.

And as far as getting access to invested funds, that is easier than ever with the recent settlement changes of T+1. Sell an equity today and your cash is available tomorrow.
 
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Keep in mind gentlemen, you can park that cash in your Fidelity brokerage account uninvested. Fidelity cash is put into SPAXX (government money market) that is yielding 3.79% as of writing this. (Sans a bit of expense ratio). There is zero reason to be locking your cash up in some shitty bank CD, nor a “savings” account paying next to nothing. As an added bonus, it’s sitting waiting to be deployed on the next flash crash panic like the Trump tariff day.

And as far as getting access to invested funds, that is easier than ever with the recent settlement changes of T+1. Sell an equity today and your cash is available tomorrow.
How dare you criticize my CD! However you make a really valid point about just parking it in SPAXX.
 
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I'm going to be pulling out from my taxable accounts to live for the next 10 years and trying to minimize taxes as much as possible in that time,
See RE thread I'm pushing back towards RE to bridge the gap between now and being able to access retirement accounts. Stocks for current income are just so inefficient with taxes. Use to work better before reducing dividends and increasing buybacks became the standard.
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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Keep in mind gentlemen, you can park that cash in your Fidelity brokerage account uninvested. Fidelity cash is put into SPAXX (government money market) that is yielding 3.79% as of writing this. (Sans a bit of expense ratio). There is zero reason to be locking your cash up in some shitty bank CD, nor a “savings” account paying next to nothing. As an added bonus, it’s sitting waiting to be deployed on the next flash crash panic like the Trump tariff day.

And as far as getting access to invested funds, that is easier than ever with the recent settlement changes of T+1. Sell an equity today and your cash is available tomorrow.
This is why I stress cash equivalents. Rotating 3/6 month treasuries, money markets, etc. Something you can easily convert to cash without penalty to avoid selling stonks at a downturn.
 

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See RE thread I'm pushing back towards RE to bridge the gap between now and being able to access retirement accounts. Stocks for current income are just so inefficient with taxes. Use to work better before reducing dividends and increasing buybacks became the standard.
59 1/2 is a magical age.
 

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Also, i guess people are tired of $15 not so great burritos?

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