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Mr. Poopybutthole
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I'm hovering around this point myself. For me the mitigating factor is knowing how much I'm mentally "built" like my grandfather who raised me, and how once he retired is when his body really started aging. Like it was a work dog that knew it didn't need to work anymore. Trying to avoid that. The money already says I could hang it up tomorrow if I needed.
I do not have this issue. I already don't want to work as much anymore.

It will take me a bit to find my footing with no job but certainly not that long. I look forward to lower stress and just doing what I want.
 

Sludig

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There were those more diversified indexes, though a couple mentioned I think were heavier tech, is there a pretty solid one that's less tech heavy? Ie if my 401 all 500, I could start dumping my yearly 7500 Roth IRA into Ftec or whatever that cover would be?
 

Gravel

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Also speaking of 5 years since retirement, I just liquidated the last of our taxable account which was the bridge to start using our Roth ladder which takes 5 years to "season." Pretty crazy it lasted exactly the 5 years we needed it to.
 
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Sheriff Cad

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Also speaking of 5 years since retirement, I just liquidated the last of our taxable account which was the bridge to start using our Roth ladder which takes 5 years to "season." Pretty crazy it lasted exactly the 5 years we needed it to.
Aren't you only like 40-45? How are you planning to touch any of your IRA's at this age? I'm not planning to touch mine till 59.5, otherwise you get penalties?
 

Fogel

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Aren't you only like 40-45? How are you planning to touch any of your IRA's at this age? I'm not planning to touch mine till 59.5, otherwise you get penalties?

If it's a Roth, you can pull principle contributions at any time since it's already taxed.
 

Sheriff Cad

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If it's a Roth, you can pull principle contributions at any time since it's already taxed.
That makes sense. I don't have enough in Roths to matter I guess, I'm supposed to be doing 401k to Roth conversions once my income drops enough that I don't get turbo-fucked on taxes, but I didn't think about that.
 

Gravel

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Aren't you only like 40-45? How are you planning to touch any of your IRA's at this age? I'm not planning to touch mine till 59.5, otherwise you get penalties?
42. Roth ladder.

You roll over tIRA to Roth and pay as if it's earned income. After 5 years, it becomes Roth principal and can be pulled out tax free.

The trick is that it's basically our only "income" during the year, so we get the standard section at 0% and then even after that it's super cheap tax compared to when we were working.

But even without that, I think the early withdrawal penalty is overblown. You're basically just paying a 10% flat tax, which isn't the end of the world. I mean, we're avoiding it, but in the end it's not a huge deal if we had to pay it.
 
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Haus

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So I finally did a thing I've been being lazy about...

Prior to this week of the stock I held a VAST majority was in the company that I worked for until recently. Combination of RSUs I got there, plus a very lucrative ESPP program. (add in that my RSU's priced in at the absolute low of the covid crash, and the company has been on essentially a very solid page up and to the right since and it's been a very nice windfall.) It was literally 90% of the stock holdings I had. I took the first step to finally diversity. After consulting with a wealth management person , decided to start. But they looked over things with an eye to absolutely minimize tax impact. Ended up deciding on a tax loss harvesting fund strategy. Essentially you put money into the fund, a place then buys all the stocks to basically build you own "personal ETF". Difference being you own all the individual stocks. They manage all the buying and rebalancing. They also focus on selling the losers to harvest tax losses when time to rebalance/etc so generates tax losses to offset as many profits as possible. So this year they estimated how many losses I had across my other stocks, advised the loss harvest sells there, plus I sold a chunk of the former company's stock , the losses should offset most of any actual tax liability the sell would generate.

They now take that and buy all the individual holdings. Now if there are losses they'll harvest them in December of this year, and then when the timing is right next year. Based on the expected coverage that guides if I want to divest more next year and use any tax losses to offset.. rinse and repeat. Apparently this is a strategy a lot of people are using and the government doesn't like, but it works and it isn't illegal.

Drawback, costs 1% per year in fees. I'm going to see how this plays out. Initial sell was around 15% of my previous company stock I held. When the transaction settled and before it was re-invested for around a day I had more in cash on hand than I think any person in my family has ever had.... ever. heh.

Now I look in the account the money moved into and I have 379 individual stock positions , I search down and... yeah.... it bought a little of the company stock I just sold. heh.
 
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Jysin

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This is TODAY only:
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Sheriff Cad

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Meh. I'll ride it out just like every time before it.

Whatever.
Right, because the choices otherwise are....

What am I gonna do, sell and reinvest elsewhere? At least in taxable accounts, not being sarcastic I really don't see any other option from where we sit. IRA's could be liquidated to cash but is just market timing, which we all know doesn't work or is just gambling.

For longs I don't think there's really any levers to pull except NOT pulling.