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So I have been trying to get a backfill for the streetshitter I got to quit. That guy was retarded and didn't deserve the job sure, but even in supposedly tech hub Austin I cannot find any decent candidates to backfill him.

I've been looking since May and all of the applicants I get for a Senior engineering position claim they are coming from or are currently in a senior role. But it is as clear as day that that their experience is all at the junior level. All they can speak to is doing updates, maintenance tasks, and creating features with lots of guidance. Not one of them has done something with a great deal of autonomy, Nor have they done any application architecture. They also lack familiarity with the features of cloud platforms and what to use on them and why. Its weird.

I have always known there is a lot of title inflation going on. I have never hunted for titles. But from what I gather right now the trend is work some place for 3-4 years then demand a senior engineer title despite not having the experience for the role. Then apply to other senior positions. Probably getting a title upgrade in lieu of getting a large raise.

This is for a $200k engineering job and I cannot find anyone here in Austin. I am getting thousands more streetshitters applying and begging for h1b though. Which I just ignore.
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I can't even find qualified internal candidates for my team.
 
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So if we had all of these big tech layoffs and such, where are the engineers that got laid off then? That would be my question.
 
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So if we had all of these big tech layoffs and such, where are the engineers that got laid off then? That would be my question.
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We have this same issue trying to hire lawyers. Everyone we interview is retarded. And there’s no H1B’s or foreigners involved here, these are regular Americans.
 
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200k, can I do it with chatGTP guiding me?

Split the money, hire two bros out of college and train them in house, give them a 2 year contract. End of year 1 training tell them that only 1 of them is getting renewed at the end and getting the others salary. Then either do it, or double both their salary of them at the end and have 2 really good people that are diehards and trained for what you want.

If you have gone this long without the position what’s the harm in hiring two build up employees then.

But HR women wont let you do stuff like this anymore.
 
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My boss will not curtail Claude's verboseness. I love getting MRs where the description dwarfs the diff. Or the diff itself packed with grey text with green background.

I think I'm going to stop reading MR descriptions and code comments unless I absolutely need to. So, basically the way it was before. I think the real frustration is that most of the team was quite upfront with the problem and just ignored us.
 
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My boss will not curtail Claude's verboseness. I love getting MRs where the description dwarfs the diff. Or the diff itself packed with grey text with green background.

I think I'm going to stop reading MR descriptions and code comments unless I absolutely need to. So, basically the way it was before. I think the real frustration is that most of the team was quite upfront with the problem and just ignored us.
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Just have claude make an alternate front end that summarizes everything.
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TJT said:
So I have been trying to get a backfill for the streetshitter I got to quit. That guy was retarded and didn't deserve the job sure, but even in supposedly tech hub Austin I cannot find any decent candidates to backfill him.

I've been looking since May and all of the applicants I get for a Senior engineering position claim they are coming from or are currently in a senior role. But it is as clear as day that that their experience is all at the junior level. All they can speak to is doing updates, maintenance tasks, and creating features with lots of guidance. Not one of them has done something with a great deal of autonomy, Nor have they done any application architecture. They also lack familiarity with the features of cloud platforms and what to use on them and why. Its weird.

I have always known there is a lot of title inflation going on. I have never hunted for titles. But from what I gather right now the trend is work some place for 3-4 years then demand a senior engineer title despite not having the experience for the role. Then apply to other senior positions. Probably getting a title upgrade in lieu of getting a large raise.

This is for a $200k engineering job and I cannot find anyone here in Austin. I am getting thousands more streetshitters applying and begging for h1b though. Which I just ignore.
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I think in games at least alot of real engineers fell out of the workforce, replaced by dei. The last time I looked for work it was just crickets. Maybe I should have dyed my hair pink or something.

Anyway since, I've been doing my own thing and taking care of my parents. I keep making stuff, but my skills have decayed alot if I'm honest.

The friends I have in IT-ish work are mostly consulting. They are parachuted in to fix the gigantic messes companies keep making by going cheap with pajeets.
 
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TJT said:
So if we had all of these big tech layoffs and such, where are the engineers that got laid off then? That would be my question.
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Vanlife til the money runs out? Or maybe they really were trimming fat and the ones laid off were not the ones you want
 
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200k, can I do it with chatGTP guiding me?

Split the money, hire two bros out of college and train them in house, give them a 2 year contract. End of year 1 training tell them that only 1 of them is getting renewed at the end and getting the others salary. Then either do it, or double both their salary of them at the end and have 2 really good people that are diehards and trained for what you want.

If you have gone this long without the position what’s the harm in hiring two build up employees then.

But HR women wont let you do stuff like this anymore.
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Not really my call on what roles we have per se. We already have 2 juniors who I am teaching to be seniors. One is making progress and the other isn't because he learned from the retard.

You can use AI, but it wouldn't help you understand. Like I said, the problem I have is people claiming senior experience with only 3-4 years working in the field.

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We have this same issue trying to hire lawyers. Everyone we interview is retarded. And there’s no H1B’s or foreigners involved here, these are regular Americans.
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How does retardation manifest on your end? The problem I have is that these candidates don't even understand what I mean when I ask them how they would solve some ambiguous business problem and what considerations would they take in when they developed it. I ask follow ups during like, "what would you do if you had 100 more users than expected? How would you handle that in advance."

They just go back to junior level stuff like "well that should be in the feature requirements then." This is true but that wasn't really the point of the questions. It is just clear they have never had to do any end to end development that required them to understand architecture, deal with vague business problems, and anticipate downstream impacts. Which is what the senior level is about, at least to me.
 
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Deathwing said:
My boss will not curtail Claude's verboseness. I love getting MRs where the description dwarfs the diff. Or the diff itself packed with grey text with green background.

I think I'm going to stop reading MR descriptions and code comments unless I absolutely need to. So, basically the way it was before. I think the real frustration is that most of the team was quite upfront with the problem and just ignored us.
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I'm telling you I just ignore those giant diarrhea blobs people respond with now that come directly from Claude. It's super obvious no human would write that much on a PR or a ticket and it actually pisses me off. It passes the buck and makes you try to decipher what it's saying.

IMO and I know this is old man yelling at clouds shit, but if people are going to do that they should be the ones replaced by AI. Have some damn autonomy
 
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TJT said:
How does retardation manifest on your end? The problem I have is that these candidates don't even understand what I mean when I ask them how they would solve some ambiguous business problem and what considerations would they take in when they developed it. I ask follow ups during like, "what would you do if you had 100 more users than expected? How would you handle that in advance."

They just go back to junior level stuff like "well that should be in the feature requirements then." This is true but that wasn't really the point of the questions. It is just clear they have never had to do any end to end development that required them to understand architecture, deal with vague business problems, and anticipate downstream impacts. Which is what the senior level is about, at least to me.
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Mostly lack of curiosity and lack of work ethic to make sure something is right. They see something in client documents that seems relevant, but don’t bring it up or just don’t notice. I look at the file and go “hey what about this client document” and they go “yea I saw that but it didn’t register, thats good, I’ll get right on that.”

They’re okay as long as you’re holding their hand but if you fuck off and let them run with something, it’s always a disaster because they just don’t see things and when they do see things, they don’t do something about it. It’s like they’re just sitting there waiting for instructions their whole life.
 
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They’re okay as long as you’re holding their hand but if you fuck off and let them run with something, it’s always a disaster because they just don’t see things and when they do see things, they don’t do something about it. It’s like they’re just sitting there waiting for instructions their whole life.
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Okay then I would describe the issue as identical in tech. Lack of curiosity and work ethic resulting in a total inability to work autonomously. Which is what I expect for a senior or staff position.
 
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