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TomServo

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The new place is logistics based and their growth has been due to effectiveness and increasing reputation so I don't see it going away or anything.

Some Greenfield dev sounds a bit nice overall. It has been a little tiring to be in the exact same codebases for 7 years ya know?
Im in the camp of stability is greater than interesting work. If pay doesnt matter and if i remember correctly you plan to retire in 10 or less?

Why not do interesting shit on solo projects on the side?

My team mate is a bit like you and got bored. So he has been using claude to make mobile apps for his hobbies and selling them on the side.

I dont know man. If you like the people and even if boring. Is the single point of more interesting work really worth it?
 
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Im in the camp of stability is greater than interesting work. If pay doesnt matter and if i remember correctly you plan to retire in 10 or less?

Why not do interesting shit on solo projects on the side?

My team mate is a bit like you and got bored. So he has been using claude to make mobile apps for his hobbies and selling them on the side.

I dont know man. If you like the people and even if boring. Is the single point of more interesting work really worth it?
This is kind of the thing.

I have been the primary originator of all the work I have done here the past like 5 years. I think them up, plan them out, and just do them as I have de facto ownership and nobody contests me on it. Which is cool. The friction I have here now is that I can solve any technical hurdle, but the org itself wont catch up to make use of it. So I would need to just again expand my solo projects and stuff.

If I wanted stability and to coast I would have absolutely taken that General Motors job I got offered last month and just coasted there doing fuck all for the next decade. I just couldn't make myself do that yet.
 
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This is kind of the thing.

I have been the primary originator of all the work I have done here the past like 5 years. I think them up, plan them out, and just do them as I have de facto ownership and nobody contests me on it. Which is cool. The friction I have here now is that I can solve any technical hurdle, but the org itself wont catch up to make use of it. So I would need to just again expand my solo projects and stuff.

If I wanted stability and to coast I would have absolutely taken that General Motors job I got offered last month and just coasted there doing fuck all for the next decade. I just couldn't make myself do that yet.
Do you have high faith that General Motors wouldn't have laid you off though? I wouldn't take that bet.
 

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Do you have high faith that General Motors wouldn't have laid you off though? I wouldn't take that bet.
Dude, they went through 4 layoff rounds when I worked there and I missed EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

Those layoff packages were dope as fuck and I really wanted to get one.
 
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TJT

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Also M Power M Power wtf is up with your complete paranoia about layoffs. Your posts are about nothing but job security and layoff bullshit.

Are you Folder?
 

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This is kind of the thing.

I have been the primary originator of all the work I have done here the past like 5 years. I think them up, plan them out, and just do them as I have de facto ownership and nobody contests me on it. Which is cool. The friction I have here now is that I can solve any technical hurdle, but the org itself wont catch up to make use of it. So I would need to just again expand my solo projects and stuff.

If I wanted stability and to coast I would have absolutely taken that General Motors job I got offered last month and just coasted there doing fuck all for the next decade. I just couldn't make myself do that yet.
I'm in a similar situation to you. You are in a pretty sweet position. Some things at work require more brain power than other. If I want a new challenge that's orthogonal to my work, I do what TomServo TomServo recommended. I have a lot of projects at home from learning some EE to build and program some micro controllers, dacs, amps, etc. to homelabbing. If you are happy with your income, the people at work, and the company is a going concern, why switch? You could be giving up something good for a hot mess of a tech stack and people who you might not like.
 

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Or better yet. You worked two jobs and balanced that. Accept the job offer. Take a week or 2 off your current job and try it out.
 
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Dude, they went through 4 layoff rounds when I worked there and I missed EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEM.

Those layoff packages were dope as fuck and I really wanted to get one.
I am in the middle of my second layoff. Severance just ended, but it was indeed a very nice package. Just ramping up my job searches now, and have had some recruiters reach out to put me up in front of hiring companies, so that's always nice. Max unemployment in CO is actually not shit, so there's that too. I am ok for the next 6 months in the worst case, and I don't have to settle for shit paying jobs.
 
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Also M Power M Power wtf is up with your complete paranoia about layoffs. Your posts are about nothing but job security and layoff bullshit.

Are you Folder?
I don't know who Folder is. Your comments back though seem you want someone to just push you in a direction you have already decided and you're not looking for any sort of counter to the reality of ther job market. If that's the case then why are you even asking? Everything you mentioned between the two jobs doesn't make a good case for leaving your current position. Why are you so hostile?
 
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Because your comments have a distinct singular focus and smell like faggotry. Which is all Folder ever provided this thread.

Quevy Quevy Its more or less being at an inflection point. The biggest mistake of my career was listening to my father and staying at General Motors longer than 3 years. I should have bailed at like 2. But he cautioned it was a great job with great benefits, which it was, but the environment was stifling to me. I can't really be some guy who just crunches dev tickets its too boring. I absolutely thrive in high growth chaos with ambiguous problem solving where I am empowered to solve problems and make things happen. I know that isn't for everyone and most don't even like that kind of work. But I love it.

7 years at my current job is a long time. I've stayed because I like the place. Its not like I need a new job and am just looking to escape something I hate it is looking to expand the scope of my work. Do I try my hand somewhere else where the org is more setup to leverage the things I've been implementing, but nobody has been using, at my current job? Or do I sit at my current job and continue to rely on my institutional knowledge to advance the platform and slowly convince the org to use it?
 

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Because your comments have a distinct singular focus and smell like faggotry. Which is all Folder ever provided this thread.

Quevy Quevy Its more or less being at an inflection point. The biggest mistake of my career was listening to my father and staying at General Motors longer than 3 years. I should have bailed at like 2. But he cautioned it was a great job with great benefits, which it was, but the environment was stifling to me. I can't really be some guy who just crunches dev tickets its too boring. I absolutely thrive in high growth chaos with ambiguous problem solving where I am empowered to solve problems and make things happen. I know that isn't for everyone and most don't even like that kind of work. But I love it.

7 years at my current job is a long time. I've stayed because I like the place. Its not like I need a new job and am just looking to escape something I hate it is looking to expand the scope of my work. Do I try my hand somewhere else where the org is more setup to leverage the things I've been implementing, but nobody has been using, at my current job? Or do I sit at my current job and continue to rely on my institutional knowledge to advance the platform and slowly convince the org to use it?
As you age you'll find more appeal in the steady thing over the exciting thing. Moreso if you have a wife and kids. If you have enough socked away to retire, then chase whatever is most fun. Your life. Your choice. Nothing is ever permanent.
 
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Because your comments have a distinct singular focus and smell like faggotry. Which is all Folder ever provided this thread.

Quevy Quevy Its more or less being at an inflection point. The biggest mistake of my career was listening to my father and staying at General Motors longer than 3 years. I should have bailed at like 2. But he cautioned it was a great job with great benefits, which it was, but the environment was stifling to me. I can't really be some guy who just crunches dev tickets its too boring. I absolutely thrive in high growth chaos with ambiguous problem solving where I am empowered to solve problems and make things happen. I know that isn't for everyone and most don't even like that kind of work. But I love it.

7 years at my current job is a long time. I've stayed because I like the place. Its not like I need a new job and am just looking to escape something I hate it is looking to expand the scope of my work. Do I try my hand somewhere else where the org is more setup to leverage the things I've been implementing, but nobody has been using, at my current job? Or do I sit at my current job and continue to rely on my institutional knowledge to advance the platform and slowly convince the org to use it?
Sorry man, didn't mean to come off as taking the safe route is the better route. I'm not really sure what your situation is like. Based on the size of your company I assumed you were at a small firm where you were building out systems. My company is around 40 people and I was employee 20, which was 20 years ago. We build all our software in house from the backoffice to pricing models to now a trading platform. Our fund grew from 1mmm to 6mmm during my tenure. I've designed and developed most firms core operational algorithms and policies and quiet a bit of our trading models. I don't program much these days and stick to prototyping and developing young talent. As you work on your on projects and mentor college new grads, I thought you were in a similar situation. I've never had another developer position, but the structured processes that some of my friends have described horrify me. Even my current position is just a psudo-development position, as I suck at programming.

As for working at large firms like GE, fuck that. There is nothing worse than being a cog in the system.
 
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As you age you'll find more appeal in the steady thing over the exciting thing. Moreso if you have a wife and kids. If you have enough socked away to retire, then chase whatever is most fun. Your life. Your choice. Nothing is ever permanent.
Honestly, it I feel like the problems I work on are pretty challenging, but with age you just get much better at solving them. One project I'm working on is building a trading calendar that's generic in time and can handle 24 hour schedules. The challenging part is that there is no standard, so we have to build one that's flexible deal with whatever the exchanges ultimately do. I've talked to developers at a few other trading firms where they have a team working on these types of projects, where as at my firm, it's just me.
 

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As you age you'll find more appeal in the steady thing over the exciting thing. Moreso if you have a wife and kids. If you have enough socked away to retire, then chase whatever is most fun. Your life. Your choice. Nothing is ever permanent.
I feel the exact opposite. As I get older, my sense of FOMO actually seems to grow rather than shrink. I've never really understood the mindset of wanting to just "coast" through life with the same routines as you age. If anything, the reality that time is limited should push people to seek out new experiences, not settle into "same old, same old." The idea of simply going through the motions as you get closer to the end feels completely backwards to me.
 

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I don't see it like that. When you seek out a "coast" role you can sometimes just call it a "rest and vest" at least for tech positions. At some point you want to focus on your personal life and things that are not work related at all. If you've been crushing it in high growth companies for 10+ years you are not even in the same league as people who spent their careers just staying where it was safe. So you can generally find a job, like I did last month at General Motors, that pays well and lets you just sit around doing fuck all collecting $200k+ a year. Where all you really have to do is provide advice on the how and why of what you've been doing the prior decade in high growth environments.

So they can slowly adopt it. It's boring if you're used to just making shit happen but I absolutely get taking on a role like that I just don't want to just yet.
 
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I don't see it like that. When you seek out a "coast" role you can sometimes just call it a "rest and vest" at least for tech positions. At some point you want to focus on your personal life and things that are not work related at all. If you've been crushing it in high growth companies for 10+ years you are not even in the same league as people who spent their careers just staying where it was safe. So you can generally find a job, like I did last month at General Motors, that pays well and lets you just sit around doing fuck all collecting $200k+ a year. Where all you really have to do is provide advice on the how and why of what you've been doing the prior decade in high growth environments.

So they can slowly adopt it. It's boring if you're used to just making shit happen but I absolutely get taking on a role like that I just don't want to just yet.
It sounds like you still need to be chasing something, and your current thing isn't providing the chase, or else you wouldn't be looking this seriously. Assuming that you're ok riding out a shitty situation and/or unemployment for a year or two, I'd say that you might as well put that energy towards something that will reward you for it (financially or otherwise). Alternatively, go into coast mode and start a business on the side while you wait around to inherit a CTO seat.