Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

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You seem to be saying that capitalism never takes academic framework seriously, it is all about what actually works. Whereas marxism spends all its time in academia talking about what should work.

I think the first one fits much more strongly into the framework of science than the latter. It seems to me that the capitalist model of trying something, seeing if it works and then fixing it if it doesn't, is actually a strength and not a negative.
 
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They're all bound together. Capitalism couldn't exist without feudalism. Communism cannot exist without capitalism. It's another step on a long staircase.
 
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I was under the impression that capitalism moving its problems geographically was Rosa Luxemburg's argument.
 
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And I should add, capitalism never really fixes its problems
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The truth is more that Marxists can't accept any evidence that Capitalism has fixed a problem, because that would be admitting that the very foundation of their theories, aka Marx 101, was wrong.

Capitalism is also shit, by the way.

No single economic model is 100% effective and without flaws, and never will be. That's why you use the best tools available to address issues, rather than writing off half of the tools because they came from an ideological framework you don't agree with.

Which Marxists cannot and will not do. Their cry is international violent revolution.
 
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Also, for Beagle, khalid, and others who may be interested in learning more than a long post of mine can provide, I would recommend this book. It's a great introduction to Marxian philosophy by a good author (professor at Boston College - and the way he goes about explaining is at least somewhat interesting to read, not the dry, academic sort):

Marx's Ghost: Midnight Conversations on Changing the Worl
 
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Dumar backing out on the great giant post to end all posts again.

Khalid SPECIFICALLY asked you to state your case without CITING other people. To explain how YOU would make it work, without citing anyone else.

You're so disingenuous, the fact is you don't have an answer to the salient question how to make your theory work without it devolving into terror, so why the fuck do you think you have a right to argue that other people who actually DID think they had the answer and TRIED IT weren't really communists, but you are?

Pathetic.

One thing no one can deny about Mao: At least that fucker had the balls to formulate theories based on Marxist doctrine and put them to the test, unlike the modern spineless weasel Marxists whose sole realy goal is to criticize without offering any valid or cogent alternatives.
 
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I laid to rest the error in equating Marxian philosophy and Maoist policy. I told you the specific, key property in Marx's communism, and I showed you that it wasn't even close to realized in Maoism or Stalinism. Yet, you keep repeating the same thing, over and over, just like the other thread.

I'm answering both khalid and Beagle, but unlike responses to you that I can slam quickly with just textbook definitions of things, their actual ponderings have thought behind them, not just accusations.
 
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Also the irony of a guy calling our society sociopathic, while charging 120 dollars for a hard cover isn't lost on me.

Focusing on the United States, Derber connects the dots of Wall Street meltdown, guns and murder, uninhibited greed, the 1% and the 99%, a new crisis of unemployable surplus people, Hurricane Sandy and global warming, cheating scandals, and more including the war on democracy itself.
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Oh man big surprise there, a Communist critique that focuses on the United States. I'm so shocked.

Charles Derber is Professor of Sociology
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I bet he checks his privilege every. single. day.
 
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Lol this guy literally has written nothing but "Communist critiques of modern society"

Self reinforcing bias much Dumar?

Have you ever read ANYTHING that challenges your point of view?
 
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can we fucking kill all sociology major? I mean they are fucking worthless. my menial job is worth more than the shit they write.
 
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Too bad there's no major communist nations around any more for anyone to write books criticizing.

Oh that's because all their societies failed.

 
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Hahaha geez, why didn't I know it would devolve into questioning of credentials and religious, accusatory name-calling.

Charles Derber is Professor of Sociology at Boston College. His op-eds, essays, and interviews have appeared in Newsday, The Boston Globe, Newsweek, Business Week, Time, and other magazines. He speaks frequently on National Public Radio, on talk radio, and on television. His internationally acclaimed books have been reviewed by The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Boston Globe, and many other media sources. He recently published Greed to Green: Solving Climate Change and Remaking the Economy (Paradigm 2010).

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Derber attended Yale University, where he graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in 1965 and was a member of Manuscript Society. Later, he attended the University of Chicago, where he obtained his PhD. He has also served as the director of Boston College's graduate program on social economy and social justice.
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Harvey, Derber aren't authoritative enough, for sure. Better find some monkey lovemaking videos of feminists on the internet to prove it.
 
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