Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

Araysar_sl said:

I heard Karl Marx fronted a jug band.

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LOL

Maybe Engles was just bored and Marx personally amused him.

The world before television and computers had to have been one seriously fucked up place.

hodj_sl said:

Etymyological fallacy. You're free to redefine terms how you wish, but we're free to continue to use the traditional definitions, particularly since they're more accurate.

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They're not more accurate, even within the framework you're appealing to. Not at all.

hodj_sl said:

What you want is to wall socialism off from criticism by pretending all the negatives of Communism don't exist because they didn't really happen under Communist rule. Its not different from neo Nazis trying to justify Hitler worship, really.

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No, retard. What I want is for you to constrain your criticisms of socialism to actually socialist societies.

hodj_sl said:

Still special pleading.

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lol What the fuck are you talking about? PLEASE spend some more time reading about what "special pleading means."

hodj_sl said:

Right, left, who cares. In the end Franco won. Catalonia didn't. Franco was a right winger.

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Yeah who cares about what's true and what isn't? I mean if a government that's stripped the working populace of economic power more effectively than the wildest dreams of capitalists wants to call itself socialist, well as long as it got to that point by following what Marx said, then it's socialist! That is fucking idiotic.

hodj_sl said:

This might be the single most idiotic sentence that you've ever typed bro.

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Yeah, that's what I thought. No substantive refutation because you have no way of dealing with the fact that socialism != (political) marxism. Good job, idiot.

hodj_sl said:

You can tell when Mikhail is mad, and wrong, because he just starts trying to insult everyone's intelligence.

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I start insulting people's intelligence when I have to read some idiot using a bunch of terms he clearly doesn't understand in the wrong way over and over without ever once making a serious substantive counter-argument. At that point, I'm not talking to someone serious. I'm talking to some dipshit troll.

hodj_sl said:

We went through how asinine and pathetic that was 6 months ago Mikhail. It ended in your disappearing act for half the year.

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That had to do with someone who isn't a moron acting like one. You're an idiot. This is expected behavior.

hodj_sl said:

Lol. Mikhail, do you recall saying that the words Marxist Dialectic were gibberish?

Do you?

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No retard. I said that the words "...operate from the Marxist dialectic..." were gibberish. Because they are.

hodj_sl said:

Mikhail, do you have tourette's syndrome?

It seems like when you're angry, you give off really strong tourettes vibes.

Does calling others retarded when you've lost a debate help you feel better about losing the debate so badly?

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lol

This is how you know when hodj has given up. He stops any attempt actually trying to defend his dipshit "argument" and just starts declaring victory. This is how he deals with the butthurt of not being able to actually defend his position.

Araysar_sl said:

Mikhail,

How much work did you get done today?

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God damn you, Araysar. I already crowned you king of the trolls. What else do you want?

hodj_sl said:

I didn't give up. I mocked you for being so mad. I'm right here kiddo.

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Yeah, you're right there not bothering to defend your asinine conviction that political marxism is a necessary outcome of a socialist critique of capitalism (a conviction held in spite of the presence of real-world counter-examples). Good job being there, bro.

hodj_sl said:

I already defended it bro.

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lol

Sure you did, little buddy. Sure you did.

hodj_sl said:

Its right up there for all to see bro.

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Where? Come on dipshit, link the post and quote the segment.

hodj_sl said:

I mean we all know you live in a permanent state of denial. Denying that Pol Pot was communist. Denying Mao was communist. Hell you're practically deny Marx was communist.

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Marx was a Marxist. He had a socialist critique of capitalism combined with a right-wing approach to dealing with it that left in place all the components of capitalism he despised and he (like most right-wingers) did everything in his power to shut down dissent on the matter.