Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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Except that it totally is. Have you ever been there? It's like the South fucked the third world and gave birth to a waterhead baby.
I've never read Mao, so I won't claim any criticism or defense of his statements, especially out of context because as I've told you and as you've shown before, it leads to mistakes in understanding ideas.
On the surface those statements seem elementary, as he's mostly just restating the same things about dialectics, materialism and societal antagonisms. Anyone can do that. America does the same thing with regards to democracy and capitalism: it interweaves the two in a fabulous story that's used to 'educate' all of us of how they're inseparable and always belong together.
We'll never know if that propaganda was created out of earnest or out of exploitation. Assuredly, the policies were brutally exploitative without question, and that's what we're discussing with regards to communist regimes: the activity of the regime.
And that activity, the realization of those ideas, is nowhere close to the ideals presented in the Paris Manuscripts. You can sqawk revisionism all day long, but that accusation makes no sense here.
On the surface those statements seem elementary, as he's mostly just restating the same things about dialectics, materialism and societal antagonisms. Anyone can do that. America does the same thing with regards to democracy and capitalism: it interweaves the two in a fabulous story that's used to 'educate' all of us of how they're inseparable and always belong together.
We'll never know if that propaganda was created out of earnest or out of exploitation. Assuredly, the policies were brutally exploitative without question, and that's what we're discussing with regards to communist regimes: the activity of the regime.
And that activity, the realization of those ideas, is nowhere close to the ideals presented in the Paris Manuscripts. You can sqawk revisionism all day long, but that accusation makes no sense here.
Doesn't matter. He said some stuff that's communist in nature. That means he's a communist even if he believes things that are blatantly contradictory to the fundamental criticisms of capitalism that underly socialism. That shit is fucking irrelevant because it doesn't lead to the conclusion that's convenient for a moron who plays at being an expert in Marxism while literally not understanding what capital relations are. Seriously dude, this is a waste of your time.
Yeah like that would ever stop that dipshit.
hodj
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I quoted about 10,000 words of Mao. None of them were out of context. They were all in context and cited.
Your argument that Mao can't be communist because you say he isn't is shifting the burden of proof as to Mao's political leanings from examining Mao's life history and statements and political treatises, to asking you, a non authority on Mao, whether you think he was Communist or not based on your interpretation of his actions.
Disingenuous argument is disingenuous.
Now back to the important discussion at hand, Kentucky.
If Kentucky is part of the South because it tends to vote red, does that mean Virginia, which has been going blue the past several election cycles and is about to put Terry McAulliff (spelling is wrong I know) into the governor's office is now part of the North?
The idea that local, modern politics is the defining factor in what states are considered South and what states are considered North seems pretty well arbitrary versus, you know, actually looking at which states fought for the South in the Civil War.
Derpgan called my PM spam. He's clearly stupid considering everything I have to say is important.
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hodj
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The first point could be applied to YOU. We don't know if YOUR rhetoric is earnest or out of a desire to exploit others. This sort of nonsense argument is, again, for about the 5th time, self defeating nonsense. It completely undermines the point of ever listening to any supposed Marxist calling for revolution, since we can never know whether they are serious about their calls, or merely looking to exploit a power gap to seize control for themselves.
Your second point is an assertion fallacy, and just fucking stupid to boot. You want to ignore Mao taking all the land from the landowners and landlords and redistributing it to the poor, Mao nationalizing industry and attempting to place it in the hands of the workers, basically any evidence of ACTIONS by the REGIMES that comports to the THEORIES of Marx you ignore or decry as "Not really following through with what Marx said" and then white wash it all away as not communism, but in fact capitalism. Its the sick sort of apologetics of fanatics who believe their ideology can do no wrong.
Fuck off with that nonsense.
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Yes. It's 100% about which flag they fought under, not about culture. That's the metric.
And when Dixie rises again victorious you have my personal assurance. You will find me a fair, if not kind, taskmaster. I will require you to incite 10 commie rage posts per week.
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If Dixie rises again, I hope we clone Sherman and Grant and send and entire army of the fuckers bad down there to rape and pillage and slaughter again.
Dumar, you claim that we can only judge whether the CCP is communist based on their actions.
Their actions were the result of their failure to successfully implement Marxist theory as political reality. Everything they tried, failed. When they tried to take the land from the landowners and hand it over to the peasants, production collapsed, so then they had to nationalize all the land and force the workers to grow grain. Then that failed, and they had a famine. As many as 45 million died, if not more, in that famine. We still don't know the full extent, because much of the records are still sealed up in some Beijing government building in China.
You seem to be missing this point, repeatedly. You are looking at the half of the CCP's regime under Mao that was all slaughter, but you're ignoring how and why they got there.
Why don't you do some reading on your own as to how the 5 year plan worked, how the Great Leap forward came about, and how the Cultural revolution came about.
Then do me a favor and look up what Deng Xiaoping had to say when he took office after Mao's death, and what he meant when he said "????"
The time has come to derive Truth From Facts.
What truth from what facts was he referencing?
What changes did Deng Xiaoping immediately undertake that dramatically altered China from the nation it was under Mao's rule, to the major economic power it is today? Hmmmm?
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