Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread

khalid_sl said:

Yeah, it isn't like they failed because they didn't understand the ideology. They tried to implement it in every way possible and all it did was put them on a neverending failtrain.

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Exactly.

In Dumar and Mikhail's argument attempting to reach the Communist Utopia, but failing miserably and ending up killing tens of millions of people translates to you weren't really ever trying to reach the Communist Utopia in the first place.

Its nonsense.

This picture is a bit of a strawman towards the end, I wouldn't put terrorism on Communism's shoulders, as that's a reaction to Western involvement in Middle Eastern politics and both capitalism and communism have meddled in Mid East politics for generations now, and I wouldn't lump all environmentalism with radical leftists, but it is accurate in that it shows how each time one theoretical framework for Marxism is attempted and found wanting, they shift the goal posts to a new paradigm, declare that the only type of Marxism which is "really" Marxism and thus use that as justification to ignore their own failures.



More than anything the sheer stubborn inability of Marxists like Dumar and Mikhail to engage in any degree of self reflection or recognition of their own flaws and failings is the primary reason why that shit fails over and over.

Its also why die hard right wingers today are failing in our political landscape. Refusal to compromise, refusal to accept that maybe their political ideology doesn't have quite ALL the answers, their insistance on it being "their way or the highway", they're complete inability to self reflect and recognize things like the ACA being an idea formulated by the Right two decades ago, etc. Same fucking thing.

Lumie's insistence that he can cure cancer by altering the pH values of blood, despite all evidence to the contrary. Same fucking thing.

Arrogance and hubris are the downfall of ALL good things.

Araysar_sl said:

Kentucky is also south of the Mason-Dixon line, which has traditionally been the North/South demarcation line

Kentucky is the South

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Nah, the South considered Mason Dixon to be in a different place than the North. They essentially moved it to include Kentucky because they wanted Kentucky (so badly they invaded the State, remember?)

Mason-Dixon line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Mason-Dixon line (or Mason's and Dixon's line) was surveyed between 1763 and 1767 by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in the resolution of a border dispute between British colonies in Colonial America. It is a demarcation line among four U.S. states, forming part of the borders of Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia (then part of Virginia).

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Mason Dixon line also doesn't extend outside of the borders of West Virginia.

Parallel 36°30' north - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Missouri Compromise line is a better measure, and it splits along Tennessee and Kentucky's border.

The parallel 36?30' north is a circle of latitude that is 36 and one-half degrees north of the equator of the Earth. This parallel of latitude is particularly significant in the history of the United States as the line of the Missouri Compromise, which was used to divide the prospective slave and free states west of the Mississippi River, with the exception of Missouri, which is mostly north of this parallel.

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Here we go Araysar

Mason-Dixon line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In popular usage, the Mason-Dixon line symbolizes a cultural boundary between the Northeastern and the Southern United States (Dixie). After Pennsylvania abolished slavery, it was a demarcation line for the legality of slavery. However, its latitude was not such a demarcation beyond the Pennsylvania border since Delaware, a slave state, falls north and east of the boundary. Also lying north and east of the boundary was New Jersey where, in reality, slavery existed, in limited numbers, until 1865. It was not until 1846 that New Jersey abolished slavery, but it qualified it by redefining former slaves as apprentices who were "apprenticed for life" to their masters. Slavery did not truly end in the state until it was ended nationally in 1865 after the American Civil War and passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution.The Missouri Compromise Line had a much more definitive geographic connection to slavery in the United States leading up to the Civil War.[1]

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So Kentucky isn't south of the Mason Dixon, and its north of the Missouri Compromise Line.

It also fought for the Union and voted to side with the North.

By every possible metric except "You guys voted for Rand Paul!!!" Kentucky is a Northern or Mid Western state, and not a Southern state.

I rest my case.

Also, at this link, I figured out why Oklahoma is considered part of the South, I think, from a historical perspective. It was part of Texas prior to the Missouri Compromise

Parallel 36°30' north - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When the Republic of Texas joined the United States in 1845, it was required to cede all of its claimed land north of the 36?30' latitude to the Federal Government. Over the following half-century, this land became parts of Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, and Oklahoma. The Compromise of 1850 confirmed that the 36?30' parallel was the northmost boundary of Texas. Then, Kansas was admitted to the Union as a free state in 1861.

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So there was probably a sizable portion of people who lived there, who were no longer officially part of Texas and weren't really a state either, when the Civil War went down, who ended up fighting on the South's side because they basically still perceived themselves as Texans at the time.

That's my hypothesis at least.

I don't consider Oklahoma part of the South, although as Beagle says, it made be more culturally close to the South than say Missouri.

Araysar_sl said:

Its already after lunch time, have you lynched anyone yet Hodj?

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Fridays are lynching free days here.

Like you know how God rested on the Sabbath after making the Earth?

Kinda like that. We rest on Fridays after a week of lynchings.

No, its a good argument honestly I think its a valuable discussion to have.

I've learned a lot I didn't know like the Missouri Compromise.

Araysar_sl said:

Cmon Lynchy McRaciston.

Admit already that Kentucky is culturally part of the South and not Midwest. They dont even have Midwestern accents.

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The southern most post of the state probably is more Southern culturally, but the rest of us are Midwest.

I haven't got even the slightest hint of a twang. I don't say y'all either.

Crazy I know, but the stereotypes are inaccurate.

We even wear shoes here.

Araysar_sl said:

Have you or anyone you know had sex with a relative?

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There was a dude in town that was arrested like several years ago for banging his daughter.

I didn't know him though...

I'm adopted so no.