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Mary Todd Lincoln House

What you're seeing here is just how important Kentucky was during the Civil War era, so much so that the Presidents of both the North and South were from here. Henry Clay was a key figure of the era as well.

This is why it was so important that Kentucky sided with the North. This is why we deserve credit where it is due.

Things could have gone the other way. Lincoln was convinced that without Kentucky, he would lose the war.
 

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The birthday of Jefferson Davis is commemorated in several states. His actual birthday, June 3, is celebrated in Florida,[149] Kentucky,[150]Louisiana[151] and Tennessee;[152] in Alabama, it is celebrated on the first Monday in June.[153] In Mississippi, the last Monday of May (Memorial Day) is celebrated as "National Memorial Day and Jefferson Davis' Birthday".[154] In Texas, "Confederate Heroes Day" is celebrated on January 19, the birthday of Robert E. Lee;[152] Jefferson Davis' birthday had been officially celebrated on June 3 but was combined with Lee's birthday in 1973.[155]
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I have yet to see a single Jefferson Davis' birthday party anywhere in Kentucky.

The proper word is probably officially recognized.

Which, seeing as he was from here, and he's a major historical figure, sorta makes sense.

We also recognize Henry Clay's birthday and his home is a major tourism location and state historical location

Ashland, The Henry Clay Estate

OH MY GOD KENTUCKY ACTUALLY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT ITS HISTORY SOMEONE CALL THE NAACP AND THE SPLC
 

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Henry Clay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Missouri Compromise and 1820s[edit]
In 1820 a dispute erupted over the extension of slavery in Missouri Territory. Clay helped settle this dispute by gaining Congressional approval for a plan called the "Missouri Compromise". It brought in Maine as a free state and Missouri as a slave state (thus maintaining the balance in the Senate, which had included 11 free and 11 slave states), and it forbade slavery north of 36? 30' (the northern boundary of Arkansas and the latitude line) except in Missouri.
Oh won't you look at that. He's the reason Kentucky is a Northern state.

Henry Clay was the shit.
 

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"Marshall has illuminated an important and understudied aspect of how a border region simultaneously departed from and reflected broader patterns of memory. Marshall?s excellent study will refine our understanding of how contested and unpredictable memory was and continues to be."
--The American Historical Review

"Anne Marshall?s Creating a Confederate Kentucky alters the entire field of Civil War memory study?.[It] is a masterful work of scholarship. Its prose is lucid; its research is thorough; and its interpretative power is truly ground-breaking."
--Civil War Book Review

"Marshall has crafted an easily read, easily comprehensible scholarly volume. Recommended. All levels/libraries."
--Choice

"By enriching our understanding of the ways Confederate Kentuckians, white Unionists, and African Americans interpreted the state's participation in the Civil War, Marshall also sheds significant light on the processes through which competing interests claim ownership of history."
--The Journal of American History

"An excellent book: tightly argued, richly detailed, and elegantly written. It is a model of what a state study can do, showing the importance of not just race, but also place, to the story of the Lost Cause."
--Civil War Monitor

"Rather than focusing exclusively on postwar political and economic factors, Creating a Confederate Kentucky looks over the longer term at Kentuckians' activities . . . by which they commemorated the Civil War and fixed the state's remembrance of it for sixty years following the conflict. . . . Will be a nice addition to your Confederate/Kentucky library shelf. . . . Excellent."
--Lone Star Book Review
 

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You still devolved into a bunch of Confederacy sympathizing racists after the War
No, we really didn't. Its really sad that people outside of Kentucky have been brainwashed into believing that through constant repetition and stupid condescending jokes, since we played such a crucial role in the North winning.

Its just another case of pick on the small guys because you can. We're a poor state, so that makes us a target.

I think I'm liking this backwater land called Kentucky!

Kentucky voices: Where is Karl Marx when we really need him?
Kentucky's full of liberals. Like I said. We got an openly gay mayor bro.
 

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"Marshall has illuminated an important and understudied aspect of how a border region simultaneously departed from and reflected broader patterns of memory. Marshall's excellent study will refine our understanding of how contested and unpredictable memory was and continues to be."
--The American Historical Review

"Anne Marshall's Creating a Confederate Kentucky alters the entire field of Civil War memory study..[It] is a masterful work of scholarship. Its prose is lucid; its research is thorough; and its interpretative power is truly ground-breaking."
--Civil War Book Review

"Marshall has crafted an easily read, easily comprehensible scholarly volume. Recommended. All levels/libraries."
--Choice

"By enriching our understanding of the ways Confederate Kentuckians, white Unionists, and African Americans interpreted the state's participation in the Civil War, Marshall also sheds significant light on the processes through which competing interests claim ownership of history."
--The Journal of American History

"An excellent book: tightly argued, richly detailed, and elegantly written. It is a model of what a state study can do, showing the importance of not just race, but also place, to the story of the Lost Cause."
--Civil War Monitor

"Rather than focusing exclusively on postwar political and economic factors, Creating a Confederate Kentucky looks over the longer term at Kentuckians' activities . . . by which they commemorated the Civil War and fixed the state's remembrance of it for sixty years following the conflict. . . . Will be a nice addition to your Confederate/Kentucky library shelf. . . . Excellent."
--Lone Star Book Review
Argument from authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Argument from authority (Argumentum ab auctoritate), also authoritative argument, appeal to authority, and false authority, is an inductive reasoning argument that often takes the form of a statistical syllogism.[1] Although certain classes of argument from authority can constitute strong inductive arguments, the appeal to authority is often applied fallaciously.
Fallacious examples of using the appeal include:
cases where the authority is not a subject-matter expert
cases where there is no consensus among experts in the subject matter
any appeal to authority used in the context of deductive reasoning.

I'm really not even sure what your point is here bro.
 

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The one book that is an authority on the subject basically says that Kentucky turned into a confederate state after the war.
 

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The one book that is an authority on the subject basically says that Kentucky turned into a confederate state after the war.
Gonna need some citation on that one book being an authority on the subject, what that subject supposedly is, and why I should care that some person wrote a book that said not nice things about Kentucky.
 

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Gonna need some citation on that one book being an authority on the subject, what that subject supposedly is, and why I should care that some person wrote a book that said not nice things about Kentucky.
"This highly regarded and universally praised book by a professor of history from NC State about Kentucky does not fit my world view and hence I'm just going to ignore it"
 

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Bro, it goes beyond that and into shadow governments.

Confederate government of Kentucky
Uh I stated very early on that there was a Confederate shadow government that formed in Kentucky.

Let me help you out though, Dumar

Confederate government of Kentucky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Confederate government of Kentucky was a shadow government established for the Commonwealth of Kentucky by a self-constituted group of Confederate sympathizers during the American Civil War.The shadow government never replaced the elected government in Frankfort, which had strong Union sympathies. Neither was it able to gain the whole support of Kentucky's citizens; its jurisdiction extended only as far as Confederate battle lines in the Commonwealth.Nevertheless, the provisional government was recognized by the Confederate States of America, and Kentucky was admitted to the Confederacy on December 10, 1861. Kentucky was represented by the central star on the Confederate battle flag.[1]
On November 26, 1861, Governor Johnson issued an address to the citizens of the Commonwealth blaming abolitionists for the breakup of the United States.[12] He asserted his belief that the Union and Confederacy were forces of equal strength, and that the only solution to the war was a free trade agreement between the two sovereign nations.[12] He further announced his willingness to resign as provisional governor if the Kentucky General Assembly would agree to cooperate with Governor Magoffin.[12] Magoffin himself denounced the Russellville Convention and the provisional government, stressing the need to abide by the will of the majority of the Commonwealth's citizens.[30]
So basically November 1861 the shadow government was formed.

Following Ulysses S. Grant's victory at the Battle of Fort Henry, General Johnston withdrew from Bowling Green into Tennessee on February 7, 1862. A week later, Governor Johnson and the provisional government followed. On March 12, the New Orleans Picayune reported that "the capital of Kentucky [is] now being located in a Sibley tent."[12]
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By February of the next year they were run out of the state and never returned.

You guys just keep lining em up, I'll keep on knockin em down.
 
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