Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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Hey Derpgan! It is not common practice to shaw someone forever simply because the moderator in question has a learning disability. Reverse this injustice.
No point. Draegan has it in for me for some reason. He's too big of a pussy to say what it is though.
I'm assuming you're talking to hodj, here.
I've paid very close attention to his argument.
Here's how it goes:
Marxism is a reasonable substitute for socialism generally because hodj has heard of a thing called Marxist dialectics and he's under the mistaken opinion that, as a result, academia conflates marxism with socialism generally.
Stalinism/Maoism are reasonable substitutes for Marxism generally because because they called themselves Marxists despite the fact that they more effectively stripped power from workers than ever and that the state under them operated like a giant capitalist corporation (which was an obvious outcome from "vanguard" feature of their ideologies). The simultaneous claim of Marxism by them to gain the ethical credibility of egalitarian values and the claim of their Marxism by us to smear egalitarian values with their misdeeds by the two biggest propganda systems on earth operating for decades has had their intended effect. There's no point considering what features are necessary to consider an ideology Marxist (or socialist, for that matter) in character because the only necessary feature is that the people implementing such systems use (otherwise) Marxist (or socialist) rhetoric. In other words, necessary features don't matter for DISqualification because any smattering of Marxist (or socialist) rhetoric is more than sufficient for qualification...because hodj says so.
Since Stalinism can now be reasonably said to be socialist in character (despite the stripping of power from the workers), any attempt at socialism can be condemned as NECESSARILY leading to Stalinism/Maoism. The existence of examples that didn't lead to those sorts of conditions (because they lacked the ideologically right-wing feature of vanguardism) doesn't count because they were crushed militarily (even though this is internally illogical, even within the confines of its insanity it doesn't fails to take into account that they examples in question were crushed militarily by SOVIET forces).
I understand his "argument" completely. It's just totally irrational and he just repeats it over and over (at this point entirely as matter of personal vendetta than any attempt to argue honestly).
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Thanks, Khal, I appreciate it.
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Yeah, dude, you did bring up some good questions. We might have seen them addressed if Genghis Retard didn't highjack the thread with time-wasting semantic nonsense. And yes, bro, I did read the thread. Why do you think it took me so long to comment? Neither side was stopping to breathe! And after reading, it was crystal clear to me that Mikhail, and later Dumar, are simply much better at communicating ideas than Hodj is, especially within the context of a debate. Hodj was either too intimidated to actually address their points or simply unable to, so he resorted to dishonest misrepresentation of their side. It's not an isolated incident, either. This isat leastthe third time I've seen him do exactly that. It's what he does.
Allow me to explain: Hodj is not used to people making him look like an idiot. He was humiliated when I took advantage of his "respond to any post that mentions me no matter what" policy and he got himself an infraction. He doesn't appreciate when people like you, who would otherwise see him as an all-around great poster, start to lose respect for him because of whatIbrought out of him. I have no doubt that he hates how I refuse to leave a thread, even after he pulls out all the stops and attains new levels of unbearable obnoxiousness that would make most men shake their heads in disgust and leave rather than listen to another word. He also hates being wrong about Zimmerman's gun saving his life, and it drives him fucking crazy that I refuse to let that point go (since he made such a big to-do when declaring his own victory, which is usually how it goes, in case you haven't noticed). And, because this is high school, the Hodj fan club (Motto: "Critical thinking: Not even once") fell into lockstep and decided to go along with his imagined portrayal of who I am as a person, rather than actually read anything I post. I rocked the boat, so now I'm paying the price.
You make it sound like I was downplaying Hodj's research skills. I wasn't. I have no doubt the guy knows how to research, that he's skilled at finding information and that he understands what it is he's reading. I also do not insist that anyone be an expert in a field in order to have a discussion about it. My point is that he researches stuff that doesn't contradict anything his opponent has stated, then proceeds to attempt to make the entire debate about whatever unrelated thing he chose to research. This puts his opponents in a permanent state of "trying to get the conversation back on track". They can't make or defend any points, they certainly can't come to any desired conclusion, all they're doing is putting all their time and energy into correcting Hodj's misinterpretation of the point. I think that's a powerfully shitty way to debate. Good for politicians, maybe, but I don't want to read a 40+ page debate just to see a grown man act like a fucking spoiled child and be deprived of the good points that would have otherwise been made.
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Dumar owned Hodj, and then Hodj tried gaining the upper hand by deluging him with posts
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