Mikhail and Hodj's Political Thread
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Tanoomba
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Already been debunked. Wasting everyone's time. Can you at least wait until Dumar makes a new point you're unwilling to address before you start hodjing up the thread again?
TrollfaceDeux
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well, considering 99.9% of his posts consist of either insults or other nasty means to deflect criticism and/or to cover his tiny small self-esteem, I'd say nothing of value was lost.
Loser Araysar
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Its a lot like marxism. You round up the peasants, force them into one area, and make them produce content for you, while you kick back and count the rubles.
hodj
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Hey man, you're free to add whatever new consonants you need to reduce your cognitive dissonance. Its your life.
hodj
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Hey man, you're free to add whatever new consonants you need to reduce your cognitive dissonance. Its your life.
No dissonance, just honest truth. You're free to label whomever you like anything you like. Obama's soldiers have killed people and his policy so very Marxist, so I'd label him a communist for sure.
A fantastic career in Baghdad or the tea party is waiting for you.
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No dissonance, just honest truth. You're free to label whomever you like anything you like. Obama's soldiers have killed people and his policy so very Marxist, so I'd label him a communist for sure.
A fantastic career in Baghdad or the tea party is waiting for you.
No dissonance, just honest truth. You're free to label whomever you like anything you like. Obama's soldiers have killed people and his policy so very Marxist, so I'd label him a communist for sure.
A fantastic career in Baghdad or the tea party is waiting for you.
hodj
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Whatever you say. By the way, have you killed any farmers for resisting your right to cut down their 30 year old walnut trees lately?
Do I have to make another post you won't read about what relations of production are? Or, unsurprisingly, was that not covered also in your department?
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hodj
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No, you really just need to explain how you're going to tell someone that you're taking their farm, and that they can no longer grow their walnut trees on it, while also claiming that you aren't redistributing their property, while also claiming that if they resist they must be slaughtered for daring to oppose social evolution, while simultaneously claiming that violence isn't in tune with your dogma.
But you should probably just save yourself the time, because absolutely no one reads it, or cares.
I explained it already, but you didn't listen. No one is 'taking' anyone's farm in communism and giving it to another. The concept of private property is a man-madesocial agreement, a useful one, and the reason it exists currently is because of certain relations in production in society that need that agreement. Someone doesn't 'have' a farm in communism, because the social relations in which that society exists has no market for a seller to sell farming products to a buyer. This farmer is under no forced conditions to produce these goods to exchange them for capital, for a living. Ownership implies scarcity: the implication is in the very definition of one person owning something while another doesn't. That relationmakes no sense under communism. And that's why Maoist and Stalinist policy is a form of state capitalism with the state as the abstract capitalist - no social relations were changed under their supposed societal reorganizations, but the words communism and Marxism were used as propaganda dressing to further their policies and agendas.
So try to conceptualize communistic social relations, which is very difficult for our minds under capitalism. The farmer (who is no longer a 'farmer' in our sense of farmer) doesn't have to sell walnuts, so he doesn't need tons of trees, unless he just loves walnut trees, in which case other people that also love walnut trees might join him in creating an area full of walnut trees. The farmer is doing laborunder free association, stuff he actually wants to do for some love of doing it.
And when you want to speak of words like 'efficiency', this is the most efficient system possible, because everyone is laboring for labor's sake, not through force of slavery, divine right, or capital.
You can't have communism without socialism first, socialism without capitalism, capitalism without everything that came before. I've said this, over and over.
And the part about no one caring, absolutely.
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