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And it's a pretty awful list honestly. Chad Mendes (who Aldo KO'd in round 1) is above Lamas, Korean Zombie, and Edgar? Lil Nog above Shogun, Davis, and Mousasi lol? Overeem, who we all know fought like a retard his last fight, is now lower than Mir. Hell I'd be hard pressed to put Big Nog above Nelson at this point also. The pound for pound list looks like they just threw all the champs on there and then put Edgar and Henderson on it just for the hell of it.
 

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To be fair, this is the first official ranking ever, so it's going to be way off. Add the fact that they just aquired a bunch of the strikeforce talent who haven't actually fought in the UFC yet (remember the pride fiasco). While I think the rankings are a bit off, it's a start and once a few more events get under their belt, i think it will work itself out and look a lot closer than it currently is.
 

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I'm assuming it's so far out so Pettis can make weight properly. Good on him for not sitting around waiting to see if he'll actually get the shot he earned, AND bolstering what is not a particularly deep division. That fight should be fuckin' amazeballs
 

Tuco

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I think Ariel Helwani makes the best fighter rankings, but maybe he and I just have the same bias.
 

Shano

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Super excited at this fight. Has fight of the year potential written all over it. August is a hell of a long time but like Grimm said, it means Pettis has plenty of time now to make the weight and train for the fight properly. Though I don't think making the cut is going to be that big of a deal for him really.

From the article:

Pettis said he usually cuts only about two pounds to qualify for the 155-pound weight class, making the drop to 145 fairly simple.
 

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Dana tweeted that he was out for 4 minutes, took the bench in 6, got in the ambulance at 9 minutes. Jesus....

And Jones tweets that the fight was really close.... up until his guy got assassinated.
 

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Ya I watched that.

It was kind of unexpected really. Hall was landing some decent knees but the white dude was giving him all he could handle there for a bit. Then he said fuck this and gave him a first class ticket to the Netherealm.
 

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Bas Rutten Wrote,

OK, many people asked me, so lets talk about the Overeem fight.
I had a lot of heat from "new fans" (I guess), or fans that never check stats on fighters.
Let me be perfectly clear, I started fighting September 1993, yes that's right, even before the UFC had their first show! So I have been around a very long time, in September actually 20 years!

During that time, you all know that I always speak my mind, I will NOT make something up because I don't like a certain fighter personally, because when I am wrong, it makes me look like an idiot and I simply don't like to look like an idiot.

Same as that you won't find even one product that I endorse which is not good, everything I endorse I stand 100% behind. I could have made much more money if I wanted, but then I had to endorse something that I didn't believe it, so I never did.

Before the fight I said that: " Overeem is an animal, really good striker, great on the ground as well, hard G&P, he only has to connect and the fight will probably be over, and that for a HW, he always comes "in shape". But.. he has a "glass jaw".
Now saying that he has a "glass jaw", doesn't means he's gonna lose. I mean, he became the K1 Champion and those guys are the BEST strikers in the world, and they couldn't hit him. So he will probably win this fight against BF, I am just saying that Big Foot has upset the world before and stopped Fedor (Freaking Fedor people!! In my book still the greatest), so he can do it again!"

Now, from this whole statement above that I made about AO, I think I gave him a lot of props? I ONLY said he had a glass jaw, (which is true), but for some reason many fans forgot the props I gave him and ONLY focused on the "glass jaw" comment. THAT just blows my mind. And especially because they said I only mentioned the "glass jaw" because I don't like him?

OK, let's break this down:
From 2005 till 2007 he had 7 fights from which he lost 5 and 4 of those losses were by way of KO. (Shogun KO'd him as well three fights before those 7 fights) The whole world of MMA at that time was saying he had a glass jaw (from his THEN 11 losses, 7 were by KO, now 12-8), not only me.

And, I said, "because he has a glass jaw, that's why Overeems team GG changed his weight and his fighting style after he lost his last fight against Kharitonov".
From that moment on he would only throw "single attacks", meaning, there will always be at least ONE hand on his jaw!

When AO was going to fight JDS (Before he got caught with roids there was talk about it), people asked me who I thought would win and I said "JDS", which I truly believe would happen (I don't care what other people think, it's what I think).
Then they said, "You just say this because you don't like AO". I said "Really? So why did I tell people that he was going to beat Brock Lesnar? I mean, didn't like him as a person at that time already but I still said he would beat Lesnar". So how's that possible when you "reason" like you do? Of course it would become silent..

And about the fight, I am not going into the "other things" people are talking about, I only say this:
I don't think AO underestimated BF because he would be a complete idiot if he did, NEVER look pass your fight, every fighter knows this, plus again, BF stopped the great Fedor! I think the reason he lost is that he steered away from his team (GG), where a guy like Gokhan Saki would work circles around him in training, you NEED guys like that to train with because now he steered away from the "one strike attacks" and from "always having at least one hand on his jaw", he actually didn't have ANY hands at his jaw?
(Don't be dumb now and say that he beat Saki in the K1, because yes he did, but the world knew also that Saki had a broken hand and ARM going into that fight, ask anybody who has seen them spar together about who comes out on top)

He steered away from his "winning combination". He started throwing combinations and that will open him up for counters. I believe in training (wherever he trains now) that he's probably the best guy there and that nobody really poses a threat to him. Think about it, because that could be the only reason for him to steer away from what he used to do, from what he used to "NEED TO DO" otherwise he would get floored in training because of the talent he trained with.

That's what I think, now I know he was very rude towards BF and maybe his "acting" started to take over and he started to believe himself and forgot about Fedor, so maybe he did get a little "over confident", but still, never break a winning combination.

My stretch routine in the classes I teach has been exactly the same for the last 15 years, sometimes the students ask me "Can't we do something different?". And you know what I say? Say: "No, because with this routine I NEVER, EVER had an injury, so why would I change it?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Godspeed and party on
which this video of his fight with badr hari shows his good use of hands up.



edit: god damn embed didnt work for gif so ignore the damn single frame. point i was trying to make is when he decided to engage bigfoot in a combo heavy exchange he got tapped, and tried to covered up with MMA gloves and got his shit pushed in.
 

Tuco

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Great point about how Overeem could've stuck to his single punch strategy. I've long argued that he can't do that against Silva and Lesnar because he needs his hands low to stuff the takedown, but I think what Bas said is true also.
 

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Hari's always got a million things going on. He's a fuckin' crazy person.

I was telling people how easy a path AO had to that K1 win immediately. But let's not do that MMA thing where we get all hyperbolic when someone loses a fight. AO did win it, he had the right gameplan at the right time for him. Use his size, stay out of danger. If he went back and did it the next year he'd probably have gotten torn up because those same guys would have a working gameplan. Look at Semmy, when he got that jab and front kick working he was unbeatable. No one thinks he's a "better" striker than guys like Remy or Badr, but he had the right toolset to neutralize those guys. Giving AO big gloves and letting him use his size just flat out worked.


edit: BTW I'm starting to see it mentioned by fans(including here), waiting for it to hit the mainstream MMA media. The Blackzilians camp is dogshit. Other than Belfort their fighters have just been getting ruined, usually in fights they were supposed to win.

Someone on Reddit put together this list of name fighters who went to the camp and their results with them.

Not only do they have a fucking stupid name, their fighters go in overconfident and seemingly with no game plan. Then they go on to fail drug tests or miss weight

Melvin Guillard 1-3 (missed weight against Cerrone)
Vitor Belfort 1 -1
Thiago Silva 0-1-1 (NC after failed drug test)
Michael Johnson 2-1
Miguel Torres 0-2 (fired from UFC)
Rashad Evans 1-2 (win was boring 5 round decision against Phil Davis)
Matt Mitrione 0-1
Anthony Johnson 0-1 (missed weight, fired from UFC)
Alistair Overeem 1-1 (failed drug test later, lost title shot but kept win)
Bigfoot Silva 0-1 (left after Overeem joined - good decision)
Overall: 6-14-1
Not totally accurate, and only considers UFC fights. But it gets the point across.
 

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The Blackzilians camp is dogshit.
Glad you put that together, because it confirmed what I had thought. It is a bunch of guys that are all outcasts (for a reason) from other camps. They chose a place in Miami that is full of distractions. Do they have any disciplinarian coaches? It is all just a recipe for epic fail.