Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Drapdis

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Thank you. You will get the keyboard warriors and MnM evangelists cursing you- but… its true.

You have decades of character development with EQ and even WoW… yet the classes seem to be… shallow?

EQ SK- lifetap, snare, fear, dot, pet, FD, self lev, self sight infra and ultra, self invis, undead invis, undead dmg, undead lull, self HP tap proc, self mana tap proc, group mana/hp tap dd, AoE DD, quick cast spear-DD, self dmg shield, rune, magic resist, self HP buff, summon corpse, cold resist? And I am sure I am forgetting something…like star debuff…dispel…umm…whew its been awhile

And that is PoP/Luclin?
you are right, SK is even worse.

Seems like the simplest and most fun part to fix to me.
Mind blowing that this is what they landed on for classes, what a shame.
 
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On one hand , for inq for example you are brutalized by melee skills taking up spell slots. Slam, melee thing 1, melee thing 2. Taunt. Charm (their lay on hands). That leaves almost no room for spells.

So in that respect. There is almost no room to add new skills. However, the ones we use...we use because they aent mathematically insane to fit.

I an ideal world inmates would be hotbar only, and all the other spell lin3s wouldn't be turd shows.
 
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Del

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How you like it, I figure there has to be a reason no one plays one but they appear to do very well.
The reason it's one of the lowest played is because so many want to relive their EQ glory days and pick the classes they played in EQ. It's not a coincidence that the 3 lowest played classes are classes that didn't exist in EQ.
 

Kithani

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Thank you. You will get the keyboard warriors and MnM evangelists cursing you- but… its true.

You have decades of character development with EQ and even WoW… yet the classes seem to be… shallow?

EQ SK- lifetap, snare, fear, dot, pet, FD, self lev, self sight infra and ultra, self invis, undead invis, undead dmg, undead lull, self HP tap proc, self mana tap proc, group mana/hp tap dd, AoE DD, quick cast spear-DD, self dmg shield, rune, magic resist, self HP buff, summon corpse, cold resist? And I am sure I am forgetting something…like star debuff…dispel…umm…whew its been awhile

And that is PoP/Luclin?
Vanguard had honestly great class design and it’s sad that this Dev team either never played it or straight up ignored it, not sure why.

I think their original plan was to straight up copy EQ p99 and then when they realized that wasn’t gonna fly they left themselves with too little time to really make great classes and had to scramble to rapidly “deep dive” them all by launch…errr EA
 
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Rabbit_Games

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Man, Necro in Vanguard was pretty cool. Miss that game. Wish it had done better.

Also, got a Guild invite on Trem. Need to find a faster place to level up and catch up.
 

Hatorade

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Good times last night, was worried all the pugs were gonna be shit for a while. Went from hell level 34.5 to level 36. No deaths, no drama. Had a ML that distributed as he looted.

I then see you can no longer disenchant crafted items. That is an insane fuck you to noob equipment. Anything that drops and is magical has increased value so low levels will have an even harder time gearing up. I keep avoiding alts because I want my next char to be geared out the gate. Shit is dumb.
 

Quaid

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Good times last night, was worried all the pugs were gonna be shit for a while. Went from hell level 34.5 to level 36. No deaths, no drama. Had a ML that distributed as he looted.

I then see you can no longer disenchant crafted items. That is an insane fuck you to noob equipment. Anything that drops and is magical has increased value so low levels will have an even harder time gearing up. I keep avoiding alts because I want my next char to be geared out the gate. Shit is dumb.

Will also exacerbate the high levels camping low level named problem. Strange call.
 

RobXIII

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Will also exacerbate the high levels camping low level named problem. Strange call.

Oh lawd, reminds me when they thought about introducing a Trivial Loot Code in EQ a quarter century ago because of that exact same problem.
 

Noodleface

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Don't group with Nastynate unless you want all loot collected before the corpses hit the ground. 2 hours of grouping and I received 0 items.
 
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vegetoeeVegetoee

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Vanguard had honestly great class design and it’s sad that this Dev team either never played it or straight up ignored it, not sure why.

I think their original plan was to straight up copy EQ p99 and then when they realized that wasn’t gonna fly they left themselves with too little time to really make great classes and had to scramble to rapidly “deep dive” them all by launch…errr EA
Yeppp. TBH the classes Nick had done were ok. Some were good, some weren't. Like ranger vs archer. Archer should be the physical dude weaving in and out to get his big strikes on a bow. Rangers should be the true hybrid rog/dru or war/dru combo with unique spells to them. Not sure why this is so damned hard for them. They definitely should have looked more heavily into VG classes last summer and sprinkled things in or took inspiration from them. I am not sure how this game is going to play out now that most classes are so dull and boring people are tiring fairly quickly.
 

Noodleface

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Yeppp. TBH the classes Nick had done were ok. Some were good, some weren't. Like ranger vs archer. Archer should be the physical dude weaving in and out to get his big strikes on a bow. Rangers should be the true hybrid rog/dru or war/dru combo with unique spells to them. Not sure why this is so damned hard for them. They definitely should have looked more heavily into VG classes last summer and sprinkled things in or took inspiration from them. I am not sure how this game is going to play out now that most classes are so dull and boring people are tiring fairly quickly.
I think in my opinion if you're on the outside looking in, like if I just join a group, I have no idea what the other classes even do. Everyone looks like they're doing the same thing outside a few like Enc and Bard
 

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the core of the enchanting/nerf/issue is that there are way less tier 1 sources of magic dust than the other tiers. so high levesl camp them to get through the tier. so in response they made it less efficient.

they should have made crystals/fronds double powder. and added a lot more janky shitty level 1-5 items in teh newbie zones. just flood the zone with t ier 1 powder to end the log jam. make it literally not worth a high level's time to disenchant a tier 1 item. becuase there's 9 +1 charisma rat sneakers on the shady merchant at any given time.
 
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