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Tuco

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The "cant pick an apple" thing is just absolutely retarded.

They already said they're milking cows. Picking an apple is the same as milking a cow. Apples arent living organisms. The seeds are, true, but you don't eat the seeds.

It was an interesting ethical dilemma but the can't pick an apple thing just turns it retarded. There is no reason not to pick fruit, within the ethical rules they've established.
I'd go the other way and say that milking a dairy cow is a violation of their rules. You can't milk a dairy cow without implicitly infringing on its freedom. Once you make an exception to that by saying it's good for them, you can then argue toward symbiotic intervention elsewhere whether it's protecting hens from foxes by building a coop and a fence or relieving a bough from an apple trees of the fruit that is weighing it down.

It doesn't really matter though, the worldwide dairy industry will collapse for the same reasons a no pesticide agricultural industry would. Naturally grazing cows are rare and without the ability to control organics, they are toast for the same reasons humans are.

 

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I'd go the other way and say that milking a dairy cow is a violation of their rules. You can't milk a dairy cow without implicitly infringing on its freedom. Once you make an exception to that by saying it's good for them, you can then argue toward symbiotic intervention elsewhere whether it's protecting hens from foxes by building a coop and a fence or relieving a bough from an apple trees of the fruit that is weighing it down.

It doesn't really matter though, the worldwide dairy industry will collapse for the same reasons a no pesticide agricultural industry would. Naturally grazing cows are rare and without the ability to control organics, they are toast for the same reasons humans are.


Come on man you know you have to keep milking a cow, for its own sake. Dairy farmers can't even take a break for half a day without problems for the animals.

You could argue that its not necessary to pick apples, in the same way its necessary to milk a cow, but that still wouldnt make it unethical (by their stated rules). Picking an apple is like collecting the hair that was going to fall off your head anyway. Absolutely zero harm to the organism.

I don't know where you're getting this "can't infringe on freedom" thing. Their takeover was obviously a major infringement on individual liberty.
 

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I don't know where you're getting this "can't infringe on freedom" thing. Their takeover was obviously a major infringement on individual liberty.
Yeah, we don't have enough information to really understand their logical consistency. We saw them mind rape the sentient species on an entire planet in the first episode, but they draw the line at taking a stem cell sample.


btw: Vince Gilligan's first cameo in one of his shows, it's a bust of his head:
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The "cant pick an apple" thing is just absolutely retarded.

They already said they're milking cows. Picking an apple is the same as milking a cow. Apples arent living organisms. The seeds are, true, but you don't eat the seeds.

It was an interesting ethical dilemma but the can't pick an apple thing just turns it retarded. There is no reason not to pick fruit, within the ethical rules they've established.
Yeah the "can't harvest crops" thing is pretty dumb, but ultimately is a minor squabble and it doesn't change much at all. The rules previously established reduced human food supply by 80% and was going to cause mass death and eventually humans to go extinct. These additional rules reduce that 20% down to like 3%. So everyone starves to death slightly faster? no real difference in the grand scheme of things.

Also kinda weird on the milking of the cows, doesn't seem logical either, but it also doesn't really matter. All the dairy cows are gonna dry up in a few months and will no longer require milking anyway without human beings artificially inseminating them. As it stands now even freed, there aren't enough bulls to keep the cows pregnant, we artificially reduce the male population of cows (steers) for dairy for obvious reasons, in that male cows can't produce milk and if you are using artificial means to retrieve semen you only need 1% male population to keep the 99% female population producing milk via controlled pregnancies.

In all likelihood most domesticated cow species would go extinct in relatively short order without human intervention, some breeds of wilder cows would maybe survive.

Does make me wonder though if the hive can collect and eat chicken eggs? They are unfertilized ie they are not living things, and they are just laying there. Of course if you freed the chickens the roosters would start fertilizing at least some of those eggs so maybe they would have to inspect each one before consuming it?

Meat chickens tho (Broilers), which is like 90% of chickens on earth, would be extinct in a matter of months. These monstrosities are man-made horrors beyond comprehension, mutant cancer chickens that we've selectively bred into new species (Scientific name: Mutantus Rotisserie Deliciousnus) only exist because we will them to. Their mutation causes non-stop release of growth hormone that gets them up to butchering weight at 6 weeks, before they even hit puberty, so we can harvest both male and female chickens with impunity. Even if they weren't turned into chicken nuggets before they made it past the toddler stage, most wouldn't survive to adulthood due to heart defects and bone cancers. Those few who do reach maturity their breasts are too large for them to mate naturally, which is why at any point in time there is at least 1 million people jerking off and artificially inseminating chickens....right now, as you read this sentence, to keep the adult females laying billions of eggs non-stop to keep the KFC flowing. and unlike bulls or horses or other animals that we may artificially inseminate for agricultural reasons, there is no "device" for this process to "collect" samples. chickens are jerked off by hand due to their anatomy (reptiles/birds have a cloaca rather than an external penis)
 
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Tuco said it perfectly above you



That was the point I was making. There is very little perspective other than Carols which isolates what the viewer is subjected to. And "All the conversations" and "Showing them in a lab" would correlate but expanding to "obviously it was a nucleotide sequence" for the average viewer is kind of laughable and deserved to be slightly mocked.
I'm behind on the thread and show, but in the first episode where I pointed out how retarded Carol was being by not asking questions, they had an entire sequence of showing what happened. The USDA guy or whoever he is explained that it was the four nucleotide sequences and everything. They literally explained exactly what you're saying, you must have just zoned out or something.

That's on top of the guy at the start who discovered the sequence who also stated it.

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Edit: My apologies, looks like this was already covered. Even with the same screenshot!
 
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my personal favorite theory is this is how The Matrix actually started, this is just the prequel. everything Morpheus and others thought was oh so wrong.


On a more serious note, I wonder if Gilligan stopped after writing each episode and said to himself "what will people question and nitpick the most about?" and then started from that point for the next episode. Rinse repeat.

2nd paragraph coming true every week so far

Which makes me wonder what next week is gonna be. Guessing south american dude and Carol meet up and start plotting together. Actually, seeing how she doesn't speak Spanish and having another person or something around to translate as a necessity I see two options -- he dies en route under very suspicious circumstances or a plot involving translation is introduced. Could be a hivemind member, could be some piece of modern day tech (smart phone etc), or something new.
 
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Actually they established that she speaks at least conversational Spanish, and while they wont have the benefit of the hive doing live translations for them there's still you know, Google translate.
 

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I like that it didn't handwave away the starvation conclusion nerds would come to for the sake of the drama. Put me in the camp that its an alien weapon designed to reduce the population.

The survivors other than Carol are too retarded to realize that this "benevolent" force killed more people in a single day than all of the butchers, evil kings and dictators, and generals across all of human history combined.

Apple trees produce apples for the singular purpose of other animals in the ecosystem taking them and spreading their seeds. The idea that Us cannot even eat apples from the tree without them falling off on their own is really strange and stupid. But adds to that its a weapon meant to kill of humans through passivity. Rather than a benevolent force to improve manking.

Society wouldn't go extinct over this, Us would merely have a population reduced to whatever caloric yield that nature naturally provides they can consume. Which would be like 0.01% of the 8 billion or something.
 
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at any point in time there is at least 1 million people jerking off and artificially inseminating chickens....right now, as you read this sentence, to keep the adult females laying billions of eggs non-stop to keep the KFC flowing. and unlike bulls or horses or other animals that we may artificially inseminate for agricultural reasons, there is no "device" for this process to "collect" samples. chickens are jerked off by hand due to their anatomy (reptiles/birds have a cloaca rather than an external penis)
this is probably the most interesting derail I have ever read on FoH. I don't even want to check if your number is right cause its way funnier if thats true


And yeah, they seem to be completely ignoring the possibility of eating eggs. No harm to any living organism.

They have already shown they have absolutely no problem with conscripting human productivity for their purposes. Ridiculous to think that animal production of milk and eggs or plant production of fruit would somehow be a bridge too far. The ethical code they've stated should reduce them to some kind of hippy "ethical farming" or some shit, not "zero food production".
 

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Gilligan made it a point to show that all of the "survivors" that met up with Carol still had a connection to the living embodiments of their family members (who had been taken over). Carol and the Captain Creepazoid Las Vegas guy were the only 2 that did not show up with overtaken family members. In this latest episode he shows that the guy in Paraguay still has his mother, but that the relationship with his mother was not a good one.

So, Carol, Paraguay and Creepazoid are apparently the only 3 with no lingering "connections" to their past. The others may or may not be okay with what's going on but probably struggle with buying into hating the bodysnatchers wholesale because their spouses or parents or children's physical embodiments still exist and they can't separate themselves logically from their emotions. The insufferable Indian chick actually screamed at Carol that Carol had killed her "father" when he went into shock and crashed his car after her stunt.

I'm guessing we are going to get an episode about the Creepy Las Vegas guy's past that shows that he was a nobody with no friends, no real family, and no place in the world but was obsessed with main stream media and stardom and so now he gets to live out his fantasy and is emulating some other creep he idolized.

Carol and the guy from Paraguay are currently the only 2 sane humans left on earth.
 

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I mean the French creep was clearly larping as James Bond playing high stakes poker. He's living out all of his childhood fantasies. Guaranteed he was a nobody Uber Eats delivery guy before it all happened.
 

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this is probably the most interesting derail I have ever read on FoH. I don't even want to check if your number is right cause its way funnier if thats true
We're all disgusted when we see videos of street vendors in India scooping up raw sewage to cook their food in but......If you think that's bad, do not look up how the food you eat is made.
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I shit on people in this thread about the food shortages thing not because I like to rail on people but because I am envious of your ignorance. If only I could believe that food comes from the grocery store instead of:
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When you find out what it takes to feed 8 billion people then you realize that "intentionally harming some animals" barely scratches the surface.



It's kind of like the greenpeace, greta thunberg, Just Stop Oil! retards. like ok, you want to stop using fossil fuels? They think it means everyone drives a tesla and we use solar panels for electricity, but in reality there's only 2 options if we "Just Stop Oil"

A: The death of 80% of the global human population and the widescale genocide of every single species of whale for heating oil? ie 1800s amish or
B: The death of 95-98% of the human population and going back to sitting around fires living in caves.

Either way you are advocating for the slow, painful death of virtually everyone you've ever known. There is no Teslas, there is no energy grid...there's barely any civilization left. Communities like the Amish work because there's so few of them, a thousand people living on a thousand acres works. There isn't 40 acres and a mule for 8 billion people.
 

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2nd paragraph coming true every week so far

Which makes me wonder what next week is gonna be. Guessing south american dude and Carol meet up and start plotting together. Actually, seeing how she doesn't speak Spanish and having another person or something around to translate as a necessity I see two options -- he dies en route under very suspicious circumstances or a plot involving translation is introduced. Could be a hivemind member, could be some piece of modern day tech (smart phone etc), or something new.
I wonder if it'll be the Darien Gap that is impossible to drive through.

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this is probably the most interesting derail I have ever read on FoH. I don't even want to check if your number is right cause its way funnier if thats true


And yeah, they seem to be completely ignoring the possibility of eating eggs. No harm to any living organism.

They have already shown they have absolutely no problem with conscripting human productivity for their purposes. Ridiculous to think that animal production of milk and eggs or plant production of fruit would somehow be a bridge too far. The ethical code they've stated should reduce them to some kind of hippy "ethical farming" or some shit, not "zero food production".
If it's a weaponized virus to eradicate sentient life, the different treatment between human slaves and every other organism tracks very well.

Them treating Carol and her 12 disciples different is of course not explained by that, unless they've got crossed wires between enslavement and starvation of sentient life and complete freedom for non-sentient life. Effectively treating her like non-sentient life while being somehow obliged to acquiese to her demands.
 

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There aren't 13 of them are there?

Carol is part of the 12, there are only 12. Right?
 

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I lean more and more towards eradication, and their prime directive of "converting" the last of the immunes is specifically to avoid situations where a few immune survivors restart the species Adam & Eve style.

That is I mean, the Goal of the alien intelligence/AI that designed the virus, not the virus itself. The hivemind itself doesn't actually know that's what it's purpose is. it thinks it really is making everyone happy and providing for/serving the last few immunes every whim and desire is it's purpose, but actually its to butter them up so that they eventually acquiesce and join the hive, to then go extinct in blissful ignorance along with the rest of them.

It's carol + 12 survivors. Initially she was told 11 other survivors then they discovered parguay guy living in the storage unit.

If my previous fan theory is correct about the christ analogy and they become her 12 disciples then I think French blackman will be the Judas..he seems now as the most amenable to joining her (other than paraguay guy obviously) but I think he'll be the one to turn against her because he can't give up the sex and lavish lifestyle he's currently enjoying.
 
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