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Tuco
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Yeah that makes sense, like I said was someone else's random theory on the internet, I wasn't sold on it.
Another interesting angle I saw was Paraguay guy and his mother.
The hive absorbed his mother, and his mother believed that she was a loving and caring mother, so the Hive uses the mother to take care of the son, delivery his meals every day, uses the mother to reach out and speak to him. The hive believes that she would be the best person to reach him.
But he hated his mother, or at least, he had a completely different perspective on their relationship than she did. So to him having mother care or be nurturing towards him him is the last thing that he would believe. To him, this is some demon alien thing wearing her as a skin suit.
The hive doesn't seem to understand the concept of these dueling, competing emotional relationships that humans have, this is just another example to show how truly alien the hive is.
Another interesting angle I saw was Paraguay guy and his mother.
The hive absorbed his mother, and his mother believed that she was a loving and caring mother, so the Hive uses the mother to take care of the son, delivery his meals every day, uses the mother to reach out and speak to him. The hive believes that she would be the best person to reach him.
But he hated his mother, or at least, he had a completely different perspective on their relationship than she did. So to him having mother care or be nurturing towards him him is the last thing that he would believe. To him, this is some demon alien thing wearing her as a skin suit.
The hive doesn't seem to understand the concept of these dueling, competing emotional relationships that humans have, this is just another example to show how truly alien the hive is.
Fadaar
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Even breaking people out of the hive one at a time would have massive cascading effects. We've seen already how horribly ill equipped they are to deal with just 12 dissenters. Hell one tantrum from one person can kill tens of millions in a matter of seconds. They are hard stunlocked by any mind that isn't in the collective. Which makes me wonder, if someone gets pulled out do their memories remain in the hive or is it a massive every-person-is-an-independent-server setup?
I think one of the most interesting confirmations from the last episode is that whatever alien race designed this thing, it was a weapon. 100% fully developed and beamed straight at us with the destruction of our species as the primary goal, in a confirmed "dark forest" universe scenario.
Prior to this, there was some possibility that it could be a welcoming into their own hive mind culture or into a greater organizational structure at large spanning galaxies.
But I think this proves it was a hostile race that knows all about our biology and wants us extinct (or at least effectively nuked back to the stone age) before we develop Von Neumann probes or a rogue AI that fill the galaxy and then the universe. It's pretty much a lobotomy on a planetary scale.
Prior to this, there was some possibility that it could be a welcoming into their own hive mind culture or into a greater organizational structure at large spanning galaxies.
But I think this proves it was a hostile race that knows all about our biology and wants us extinct (or at least effectively nuked back to the stone age) before we develop Von Neumann probes or a rogue AI that fill the galaxy and then the universe. It's pretty much a lobotomy on a planetary scale.
Khane
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If it was a hostile species why do this in such a roundabout way? Why not just... kill everyone? Or target 90% of the population but leave remote tribal peoples alone if they want to preserve "some" human life?
I'm pretty sure the theme currently is they didn't do that because they are "benevolent". Maniacally benevolent. I don't know why I'm missing so much stuff while watching this show, I blame it on high stress caused by my job but yea the religious themes are becoming more prevalent.
Carol and the 12 apostles, benevolent, psychopathic, manipulative leaders. It's an allegory about religion. Probably.
I'm pretty sure the theme currently is they didn't do that because they are "benevolent". Maniacally benevolent. I don't know why I'm missing so much stuff while watching this show, I blame it on high stress caused by my job but yea the religious themes are becoming more prevalent.
Carol and the 12 apostles, benevolent, psychopathic, manipulative leaders. It's an allegory about religion. Probably.
Tuco
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No way to know really, could be maniacally benevolent, could be totally hostile and they've conquered a million worlds just like Earth and find this is easiest. Could be a defensive strategy where they blast out cuck rays blindly in the universe as a protective measure.
Khane
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Well, if they were totally hostile they probably wouldn't try to use mind control they'd just kill everyone and probably wouldn't be leaving Carol and Co alive and serving them.
The hive mind isn't the same as the original alien species.
The alien species is 600 million lightyears away, the only way they would even be able to know about humans is with wormhole technology, and even then I think they can only send/recieve information digitally, not physically. So they can see who we are and what we're doing but not physically touch us. The most effective way for them to wipe us out was to digitally send us the means of our own destruction.
Khane
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So why not just send a sequence that makes our brains/bodies short circuit and die (like Carol's wifey)
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Or maybe that's actually what they were trying to do and humans are more resilient than they planned for but there was a try/catch block in the sequence that just made us slaves if we didn't die.
But that doesn't explain the whole "we won't harm you if you don't want us to"
But that doesn't explain the whole "we won't harm you if you don't want us to"
They tried to disguise it to make it look harmless/beneficial instead of genocidal.
If it just outright killed people, how would it ever have spread past the lab? it wouldn't have spread to all corners of the globe if the infected didn't purposely propagate it. If it killed people dead on contact, it actually wouldn't get very far.
If it just outright killed people, how would it ever have spread past the lab? it wouldn't have spread to all corners of the globe if the infected didn't purposely propagate it. If it killed people dead on contact, it actually wouldn't get very far.
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the preferred term is "cuck ray"
This is the part where it is necessary to differentiate the alien from the hivemind itself. I kinda explained this a bit before but what the hive wants/what rules it follows it was specifically designed/programmed to do, and it is wholly separate from what the alien intelligence that designed it wants.
As a weapon it was clearly designed to infect everyone while also acting in a way that assures the destruction/extinction/complete subjection of the infected population. It doesn't know what the aliens who designed it knows or wants, it isn't connected to them at all. It has a series of biological imperatives that it instinctually follows, the end result of which is, unknown to the hivemind, the extinction of the target species. The most novel thing here is that instead of being some plague or killer zombie virus infection it is this super nice hivemind infection. But it still has this instinctual need to infect everyone.
If it was designed solely as a killer virus that just killed the infected then you run the possibility of immunes surviving, survivors killing off all the zombies, whatever, and rebuilding society, so this virus was engineered specifically to rectify that to prevent any survivors via niceness.
That, and the fact that the signal was sent via radio waves which took 600 years to arrive, indicate that the aliens aren't some super galaxy spanning advanced species with FTL travel or wormholes or teleporters or whatever. They discovered us, they designed and directed the blueprint for a virus that would pacify us, to ensure that we were either completely dead or, at a minimum, the handful of survivors were completely subjugated and at their mercy when they do finally arrive to our planet, thousands of years from now.
If the virus was designed in a more traditional way as a plague or zombie outbreak or whatever it never would of made it out of containment.
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Khane
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Yea well none of that makes sense either because they needed a human to receive it, understand it, recreate it and then it needed to incubate and grow into its benevolent state. The rat was in stasis and then bit the first human host, and then the human was in stasis then started kissing and licking people/things without asking.
It might be that the central dogma of biology (DNA->RNA->Protein) and the minute details like the codon sequences (genetic code), and the nucleotides are the same across the galaxy, perhaps the universe. If that is the case, it's possible that this is a sentient virus and it reproduces via galactic broadcast: broadcast received, stupid individual sentients decode it and translate it into an RNA virus, get infected, then infect everyone on their planet, then build a broadcasting network to spread it to other planets. Im reminded of dead space and the brother moons. As far as I can remember, I don't remember them saying that this signal was specifically directed at earth, I think we just picked up the signal, like getting hit by shrapnel from a grenade explosion.
They're not dumb, they're not all going to starve, I'm sure that they could direct their intellectual and industrial capabilities into manufacturing the chemicals (amino acids, fats, vitamins) that they need to survive. We've been fixing nitrogen from the atmosphere for over a century now. All the raw elements exist and in abundance.
I wonder if they're cool with eating microscopic lifeforms? Algae farming and meat cloning come to mind.
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Khane
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who do you think is doing the spreading of this aersolized virus in this hypothetical of yours?
wait aren't you the guy who didn't pay attention to anything that happened and wondered how they virus even started?
remember just because you dont understand something doesn't make it dumb, it makes you dumb.
wait aren't you the guy who didn't pay attention to anything that happened and wondered how they virus even started?
remember just because you dont understand something doesn't make it dumb, it makes you dumb.
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How would they know they need a human to receive it? How would they know it's a "virus" at all, necessarily? Maybe they were just blastin' shit into space, humans received it, interpreted that as pertaining to nucleobases, and essentially infected themselves.