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The mind virus not allowing them to kill plants leads me to believe that it's either Aliens prepping the planet by taking out any potentially threatening life by naturally dwindling down the population while preserving all the natural resources including plant species.

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It's some restart scenario where future environmentalist or whatever are resetting the human population to be more manageable hoping they can build a more sustainable way of life.

Not being able to harvest fruit from plants is A+ stupid though. The idea of fruit is to be harvested by other beings.
 
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You could easily have a bioengineered weapon that could kill off an entire planet. Given the level of tech on display here, there is no reason it couldn’t be something with a long incubation period before symptoms occur, or allow for it to spread worldwide before it self triggers a lethal change like releasing some cytotoxic proteins that result in sudden death. From a biological point of view it’s actually easier to consider the feasibility of something like this ; something 100x more contagious than measles, lethal as rabies, spreads while asymptomatic etc. the idea of a virus that can instantly takeover a brain(there needs to be some latency period for it to multiply or something at least , if we are trying to be realistic ) and somehow transmit signals across radio waves is of course silly.

I think the reason they didn’t go that route is that isn’t the narrative gilligan is trying to create , it’s a completely different show at that point. Call me out if I’m wrong later but I think he is uninterested in the origins of this thing, and I doubt he will ever explore that other than dropping a few vague /indirect hints. He seems much more focused on carols character and how she approaches this situation as opposed to the black dude and others
First off yeah I agree I don't think the point of the show is to discover any of that, but it certainly is a large portion, if not the primary purpose of discussing the show on forums on the internet. This isn't lifetime we aren't going to start a knitting circle and start discussing how carol feels about being so alone.

second, we've all played plague inc on our cell phones 10-15 years ago or whenever it came out, we know the drill, and no, i posit that this type of virus, a super pacifist hivemind, is perhaps the most effective world ending virus there is. Certainly more effective than any other type of just normal "lay dormant then kill everyone later" type.

You have the problem of escaping containment, which no "lay dormant until X and then kill" virus escapes, ever. They monitored the test animals, if nothing happens, then they destroyed the animals. Either you lay dormant too long and you are destroyed when the animals were, or you killed the animals in which case, nobody starts injecting people with it. It's a total non-starter.

But ignoring that, lets say you did manage to magically escape containment. If you are completely asymptomatic you have incredibly low transmissions rates, like only sexual contact or direct skin to skin/fluids transmissions? In that case, you never get a chance to infect the whole world before you start killing. You could have an incubation time of 10 years and still not infect even half the planet if you have no lines of transmission. So no matter how long you lay dormant, once you start killing, you don't kill everyone and society keeps going or starts over. Or you have some symptoms, sniffles, a cough, a rash that people scratch, etc something to increase you infectivity vector, which increases the rate that you spread but also increases the chances that you are detected and cured before you kill.

Either way, you aren't ever going to get greenland, the space station, submarines, etc. Then you've got the tens of thousands of humans who are part of uncontacted tribes throughout the amazon, parts of africa, north sentinel islands, etc. More than once humanity has been brought to the brink of extinction in our history, in the past we've had as few as 1,280 individual humans left and here we are, a few thousand years and 8 billion people later. You have to infect everyone. The only thing that is doing that is a virus that can think, which this is scifi so yeah, a hivemind. There's 2 types. crazy zombie murder machines, borg, you will be assimilated, etc which instantly all non-infected are hostile too and start murdering all the infected, or super sneaky helpful friendly non-threat like the one this show uses which was able to infect and spread throughout a military base for 2 months before it was detected, which was long enough for it to have escaped and spread throughout the world before the military could stop it.

Also keep in mind the progenitor of the virus as a bioweapon had no idea how effective it was going to be, how long the hivemind would be able to perfect transmissions before they were discovered, etc. It could have only infected half the planet and the other half could have ended up immune, for example. Only the super helpful friendly servant style hive mind is sympathetic enough for the immunes not to round them up and contain/exterminate/etc. If they were a hostile hivemind they would of just been shot. This way they have a chance to continue to modify the virus to try and assimilate the immunes and complete their task of infecting everyone.
 
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Not being able to harvest fruit from plants is A+ stupid though. The idea of fruit is to be harvested by other beings.
Only if you think the hive mind's purpose is to continue the human species. If it's purpose is to end the species its not stupid at all it's genius.
 

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If we’re going to just hand wave off a virus being able to think, then a virus that thinks could also secretly wait until it infects everyone before turning lethal. It could be an airborne virus that can direct itself thru the air to every human in the world in some magical manner, and kill it. The show isn’t realistic , it doesn’t need a plausible explanation. The reason for the hive mind is because the showrunner wanted it, it’s a more interesting premise than a lethal virus that just kills everyone. Not because magical hive mind virus is somehow more effective based on some reasons that are sci fi anyways
 

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the rna sequence that was sent to earth was also far too short for even a bacteriophage let alone a virus of this apparent complexity, the premise is silly and it’s not meant to be deeply researched by autists online
 
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Do any of you wall of word people even like the show? Or just arguing?

Sincere question, only being a little bit of a smart ass. lil bit.
 
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the rna sequence that was sent to earth was also far too short for even a bacteriophage let alone a virus of this apparent complexity, the premise is silly and it’s not meant to be deeply researched by autists online
I dunno. I don't think they mentioned the length of the sequence, only that it was a 78 minute long signal. Assuming the signal encodes about 10-100 bases per second it'd get you into the range of virus genome sizes.
 

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If we’re going to just hand wave off a virus being able to think, then a virus that thinks could also secretly wait until it infects everyone before turning lethal. It could be an airborne virus that can direct itself thru the air to every human in the world in some magical manner, and kill it. The show isn’t realistic , it doesn’t need a plausible explanation. The reason for the hive mind is because the showrunner wanted it, it’s a more interesting premise than a lethal virus that just kills everyone. Not because magical hive mind virus is somehow more effective based on some reasons that are sci fi anyways
the virus itself obviously does not think, I meant that the virus itself creates the hivemind which does think.

Like I said before, the purpose of a thread to discuss a mystery show is to expound upon your theory of whats going to happen next in the show, watch week to week and see if you were right or wrong, refine your theory, repeat. I apologize it appears as this is your first time on planet Earth and you thought we were going to sit here and discuss Carol's emotional state and her silent suffering. The show may not be about the aliens and what they want but the discussion sure as fuck is going to be.
 

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Do any of you wall of word people even like the show? Or just arguing?

Sincere question, only being a little bit of a smart ass. lil bit.
I love the show.

I'm also watching Stranger Things, note how I'm not putting walls of words out, because the show is too dumb to be worth considering, much less discussing anything in detail.
 
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I love the show.

I'm also watching Stranger Things, note how I'm not putting walls of words out, because the show is too dumb to be worth considering, much less discussing anything in detail.
I scroll past the walls of words anyhow. It's VG, he will get around to explaining it before too long.
 

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don't watch the show and didn't read the whole thread in case its already been posted, but i can't help but think this every time i see it in the thread list ...

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Do any of you wall of word people even like the show? Or just arguing?

Sincere question, only being a little bit of a smart ass. lil bit.

As a general rule, people don't write huge walls of text unless they are emotionally invested in something.

Nitpicking and arguing about trivial shit is the nerd version of approval. Genuinely bad stuff leaves people too apathetic to even bother talking about it.
 
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As a general rule, people don't write huge walls of text unless they are emotionally invested in something.

Nitpicking and arguing about trivial shit is the nerd version of approval. Genuinely bad stuff leaves people too apathetic to even bother talking about it.
Exactly.

Notice how there's no threads, or at least nobody posting in them, for:

The Abandons
The Rainmaker
Star Wars Visions Season 3
The Beast In Me
Monster: the Ed Gein Story
House of Guinness
Black Rabbit
Splinter Cell: Deathwatch
The Witcher Season 4
Wayward
Untamed
The Night Agent Season 2
The Recruit Season 2
etc.
 

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The mind virus not allowing them to kill plants leads me to believe that it's either Aliens prepping the planet by taking out any potentially threatening life by naturally dwindling down the population while preserving all the natural resources including plant species.

Or

It's some restart scenario where future environmentalist or whatever are resetting the human population to be more manageable hoping they can build a more sustainable way of life.

Not being able to harvest fruit from plants is A+ stupid though. The idea of fruit is to be harvested by other beings.

Or the virus was created by a species that doesnt have empathy like humans can or stupid views and didnt run into this issue. It cant handle conflict externally nor apparently internally, so that one hippie in Portland that believes this nonsense is taken as equally right (as shown by it loving Shakespeare as much as Carols work). Really we wont really ever know, its doubtful it will ever become that show.
 

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Or the virus was created by a species that doesnt have empathy like humans can or stupid views and didnt run into this issue. It cant handle conflict externally nor apparently internally, so that one hippie in Portland that believes this nonsense is taken as equally right (as shown by it loving Shakespeare as much as Carols work). Really we wont really ever know, its doubtful it will ever become that show.
Tbh that is an interesting take i hadn't considered. All the virus does is link minds, it is humans that create the rules they follow and they rule by some retarded consensus that works about as well as our governments bureaucracy.
 
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