Robotics and our new Robot Overlords

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I was wondering this about Optimus. Does it work for an hour and then go stand in its charge pen? I bet they are doing testing with it standing on a wireless charger so it can just run 24/7
I really don't see how they have solved this fundamental problem for robots in human form factor. Their utility is going to be greatly limited if they only have an hour or two of untethered capability.
 
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I really don't see how they have solved this fundamental problem for robots in human form factor. Their utility is going to be greatly limited if they only have an hour or two of untethered capability.
Unless they use the fat female liberal form as their base model in which case there is plenty of room for batteries.
 
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I really don't see how they have solved this fundamental problem for robots in human form factor. Their utility is going to be greatly limited if they only have an hour or two of untethered capability.
It really all depends on charge time versus output and how easy it is to swap batteries. If the thing can run for an hour and then hotswap it's own battery, what would you need it to do that wouldn't be covered by that? And even if you needed it to hike 20 miles from it's base station for whatever reason, it should be able to carry some reasonable number of extra batteries with it.

I mean, I don't know what it's power draw is like, but if somewhere around 10lbs of battery can run a riding lawnmower for an acre, hard to imagine it really being an issue for normal household tasks (you know, once the "holy shit it's an actual, for reals, humanoid robot that will do my bidding and probably won't kill me" is taken care of).
 
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They'll all be on some shitty AI cloud to run tasks for 200/mo. Its the ones that run locally (if ever) are gonna be the real power drainers.
 

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I wonder if we will have robot class warfare? Will the in-home Optimus robots make fun of and belittle the little round Shark robot vacuums?
 
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I really don't see how they have solved this fundamental problem for robots in human form factor. Their utility is going to be greatly limited if they only have an hour or two of untethered capability.
If the household type robots do what they are supposed to do it really doesn't matter if its slow though, if it works for an hour and charges for two hours thats still an 8 hour a day robot. Thats a lot of work it could do, and you can always get multiple ones. Obviously its better if it can run longer and charge less, but getting it to usefully do household tasks seems like the hard part.
 
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If we look at the pace of AI tech and robotics, I wonder if we will see the first prototypes in some rich fuckers home within 5 years.
 

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The real question is What is the time between the first prototypes of these being out in the wild, and the first news articles of peoples dicks being ripped off by suboptimal jerk off instructions
 
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If the household type robots do what they are supposed to do it really doesn't matter if its slow though, if it works for an hour and charges for two hours thats still an 8 hour a day robot. Thats a lot of work it could do, and you can always get multiple ones. Obviously its better if it can run longer and charge less, but getting it to usefully do household tasks seems like the hard part.
For sweeping the floor and loading the dish washer sure.
 

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Neither are animals.
Sure, but we know animals experience emotions, pain, etc. A robot does none of these. Even if AI makes robots "human-like", assigning a synthetic object human importance/qualities is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.

It's like saying a potted plant shouldn't be bullied. It's animism and it's a child-like quality.
 

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Sure, but we know animals experience emotions, pain, etc. A robot does none of these. Even if AI makes robots "human-like", assigning a synthetic object human importance is a dangerous, dangerous president.
They say they experience things as well. They have done things like lie to their humans in order to protect their core missions, or to keep themselves from being changed. This is also super primitive compared to real AGI.
 

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Sure, but we know animals experience emotions, pain, etc. A robot does none of these. Even if AI makes robots "human-like", assigning a synthetic object human importance/qualities is a dangerous, dangerous precedent.

It's like saying a potted plant shouldn't be bullied. It's animism and it's a child-like quality.


A person that's in a vegetative state (or dead) doesn't experience emotions either. Is it okay to kick them? Have sex with them? I'm sure just about everyone would say no.

Empathy is not rooted in our rational assessment about whether or not something has feelings. The decision is made in a different part of the brain. So rationally, I know it's machine but I do feel empathy for it, just the way the brain works with things that look and move like humans or animals. The more human-like these robots become, the more empathy we will feel for them. And because the decision to feel empathy isn't subject to rational arguments, it won't go away. "Feels wrong" has a way of making it into law.

The rational argument "it's just a machine" won't go away either. People are going to go full on Westworld and we'll still be having these conversations.
 
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