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Quevy

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Thinking about going all Ubiquiti for our new build. I have a Reolink NVR and 4 cameras + doorbell today, but it isn't going to hurt my feelings to start fresh in the new house. Planning 3-4 drops per office and bedroom, living room, doorbell, cameras. Back of the envelope kind of guess as a starting point:

RoomDrops
4 Bedrooms (4 each)16
2 Offices (4 each)8
Living Room6
Kitchen2
Garage4
APs4 (3 interior [2 down / 1 up], 1 outdoor)
Exterior Cameras8 (6 + 2 expansion)
Doorbell1
Miscellaneous4
Total52

Obviously not all of these are active Day 1, but buying new I think I'd rather just go in with a 48 port switch than having to expand. Threw together the below Ubiquiti list pretty quick (I wouldn't use black doorbell / AP, just didn't change the option). The G5 bullets seem fine but may replace with turrets, I like our PTZ today even thought we don't use it too much. The Pro Max seemed like overkill but it was like $100 difference from the less expensive. Obviously will still need NVR HDDs and probably do a NAS as well. Will need other ancillary devices, this was just the U list.

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If you're going to get an NVR, you probably don't need the UDM Pro Max. You might be better off with the Cloud Gateway Fiber. It has a newer beefier chip and uses less power. Outside of that pretty solid start. The only other thing I would point out is that your APs can can handle 2.5 and 10gps, so your switch might be a a little under powered for them. I assume you'll upgrade that later, though. Outside of that, it's a pretty solid start.

I'm actually in the same boat as you. I'm in the process of building a house and mapping out the home network. My house is 3 stories, but each floor is only 600sqft. In order to avoid having a ton of cables come to the networking area, I decided to put a smaller POE powered switch on the top two floors. the pro XG 10 PoE should be able to power all of them. I left out the doorbell from this list. I'm waiting for the G6 Entry Pro. This is what I have so far.

QuantityFeaturePer Unit PricePrice
Pro XG 10 PoE
1​
10x
120,710.00​
120,710.00​
Flex 2.5G PoE
3​
8x
35,900.00​
107,700.00​
Ultra
3​
7x
17,879.00​
53,637.00​
Hi-Capacity Aggregation
1​
28x
170,000.00​
170,000.00​
EnterpriseXG 24 (Gen1)
1​
24x
245,000.00​
245,000.00​
U7 Pro
2​
32,800.00​
65,600.00​
UDM Pro Max
1​
108,200.00​
108,200.00​
Cat6 Spool
1​
300ft
39,800.00​
39,800.00​
G5 Turret Ultra
7​
16,800.00​
117,600.00​

I'm a little bummed. The U7 Pro XG came out a month after I bought the U7 pros. For an extra $30, I could have gotten a 10g connection.
 
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If you're going to get an NVR, you probably don't need the UDM Pro Max. You might be better off with the Cloud Gateway Fiber. It has a newer beefier chip and uses less power. Outside of that pretty solid start. The only other thing I would point out is that your APs can can handle 2.5 and 10gps, so your switch might be a a little under powered for them. I assume you'll upgrade that later, though. Outside of that, it's a pretty solid start.

I'm actually in the same boat as you. I'm in the process of building a house and mapping out the home network. My house is 3 stories, but each floor is only 600sqft. In order to avoid having a ton of cables come to the networking area, I decided to put a smaller POE powered switch on the top two floors. the pro XG 10 PoE should be able to power all of them. I left out the doorbell from this list. I'm waiting for the G6 Entry Pro. This is what I have so far.

QuantityFeaturePer Unit PricePrice
Pro XG 10 PoE
1​
10x
120,710.00​
120,710.00​
Flex 2.5G PoE
3​
8x
35,900.00​
107,700.00​
Ultra
3​
7x
17,879.00​
53,637.00​
Hi-Capacity Aggregation
1​
28x
170,000.00​
170,000.00​
EnterpriseXG 24 (Gen1)
1​
24x
245,000.00​
245,000.00​
U7 Pro
2​
32,800.00​
65,600.00​
UDM Pro Max
1​
108,200.00​
108,200.00​
Cat6 Spool
1​
300ft
39,800.00​
39,800.00​
G5 Turret Ultra
7​
16,800.00​
117,600.00​

I'm a little bummed. The U7 Pro XG came out a month after I bought the U7 pros. For an extra $30, I could have gotten a 10g connection.
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Bro wtf is that in pesos?
 
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Just giving you a hard time :p

I like the idea of aggregating runs between floors and going one cable back. That's what I did in our current house, more or less, when I ran it myself. Ran one end of the attic with our cameras and AP for that side back to a smaller PoE switch and then that back to the network closet. Made swapping out or moving things easier than having to rerun 100' and pull through ceiling. We're not 100% sure what attic access we'll have in each area yet so am just sort of assuming everything will be home run back to the AV/Network closet I have in the plans.

We're at 2600 sq ft 1st floor, about 90' wide so figured 2x AP for that and then 1x AP for 2nd floor should be more than enough coverage.

Good to know about the new doorbells. We're still at least 6 months out from having to order anything. Nailing down where we want drops and quantities right now is more important, but putting together equipment lists is more fun. Then when we're ready we'll just see if they have new versions of Doorbell or Turret, etc.
 
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I was running pfsens on a vm using one of those network appliances until recently. My wife accidentally unplugged the computer, thinking it was the plug for the vacuum cleaner. All the virtual lan interfaces were reassigned. That was the end of the pfsens as a vm experiment for me. I also didn't want to do through the trouble of passing through the physical. It can be a bit if a headache, for sure.
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I run OPNsense as a VM using Proxmox and have no issues with power loss. No need to pass through the NIC for home use. I do pass through the HBA to Truenas though with no issues either. Both OPNsense and Truenas share the same 10G NIC through the default interface (as well as Pihole and a couple of other VMs). Asrock Rack x570 w/dual 10G, so I can seperate them out if I needed to. Also, just back up the VM (the config should be relatively static once you get it set up), so any config issues is just a fairly quick restore.

At some point I need to go Threadripper for the PCIe lanes or AMD has to up the lane count to match Intel.
 
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do you have full access w/ your attic? i figure your house is ranch style
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Why you figure that? White people like ranch houses?!

I haven't seen our 2nd floor layout yet, just the first. We'll have access though, for sure.

We hate farmhouse, especially modern farmhouse. I'd much rather have some type of Colonial or Neo-colonial, Transitional Colonial? I have no idea. Just nothing farm house.
 
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Quevy

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Just giving you a hard time :p

I like the idea of aggregating runs between floors and going one cable back. That's what I did in our current house, more or less, when I ran it myself. Ran one end of the attic with our cameras and AP for that side back to a smaller PoE switch and then that back to the network closet. Made swapping out or moving things easier than having to rerun 100' and pull through ceiling. We're not 100% sure what attic access we'll have in each area yet so am just sort of assuming everything will be home run back to the AV/Network closet I have in the plans.

We're at 2600 sq ft 1st floor, about 90' wide so figured 2x AP for that and then 1x AP for 2nd floor should be more than enough coverage.

Good to know about the new doorbells. We're still at least 6 months out from having to order anything. Nailing down where we want drops and quantities right now is more important, but putting together equipment lists is more fun. Then when we're ready we'll just see if they have new versions of Doorbell or Turret, etc.
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haha. I figured.

Great minds think alike. After going through their catalog of switches, it felt like ubiquiti was it's system for aggregating runs. They have soooo many PoE powered switches that also have PoE output. I calculated the power consumption, and I don't think I'll need a single outlet outside the one in the networking area.

2,600 sqft. That's like a mansion, man. Not gonna like. Kinda' jealous. haha. Good luck with the construction and the network build out! I think the g6 is supposed to be released this quarter. Although, who knows if they'll stay in stock.

Edit: Oh yeah. Here is the doorbell: Camera G6 Pro Entry - Ubiquiti Store
 
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I run OPNsense as a VM using Proxmox and have no issues with power loss. No need to pass through the NIC for home use. I do pass through the HBA to Truenas though with no issues either. Both OPNsense and Truenas share the same 10G NIC through the default interface (as well as Pihole and a couple of other VMs). Asrock Rack x570 w/dual 10G, so I can seperate them out if I needed to. Also, just back up the VM (the config should be relatively static once you get it set up), so any config issues is just a fairly quick restore.

At some point I need to go Threadripper for the PCIe lanes or AMD has to up the lane count to match Intel.
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That Asrock is a nice little bord. I was looking for something like that last year in a 1u case. How many lanes do you need? If I remember correctly, all the core I chips have 22 lanes. I have one server that uses a old W series intel chip. In hindsight, I wish I had gone with E series or threadripper. The TDP is wrecking my power bill.

I bought one of those cheap Chinese network appliances with 6 ports (4 ethernet and 2 sfp+) from Amazon. PfSense wouldn't even start after the forced shutdown. I'm pretty sure the ports were reassigned. I then tried to use the backup, but that didn't work either (most likely because of the couldn't find the necessary ports). I also didn't have time to debug the situation, as I work remotely and my wife needs help with our 4 month old. I had a UDM pro max, which I bought for the house we are building, so I just started using it.
 
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Why you figure that? White people like ranch houses?!

I haven't seen our 2nd floor layout yet, just the first. We'll have access though, for sure.

We hate farmhouse, especially modern farmhouse. I'd much rather have some type of Colonial or Neo-colonial, Transitional Colonial? I have no idea. Just nothing farm house.
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That Asrock is a nice little bord. I was looking for something like that last year in a 1u case. How many lanes do you need? If I remember correctly, all the core I chips have 22 lanes. I have one server that uses a old W series intel chip. In hindsight, I wish I had gone with E series or threadripper. The TDP is wrecking my power bill.

I bought one of those cheap Chinese network appliances with 6 ports (4 ethernet and 2 sfp+) from Amazon. PfSense wouldn't even start after the forced shutdown. I'm pretty sure the ports were reassigned. I then tried to use the backup, but that didn't work either (most likely because of the couldn't find the necessary ports). I also didn't have time to debug the situation, as I work remotely and my wife needs help with our 4 month old. I had a UDM pro max, which I bought for the house we are building, so I just started using it.
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I run the lanes as x4/x4/-/- for the first PCIe x16 slot and x8 for the second, with two NVMes in the x4/x4/-/- slot using one of those Asus Hyper m.2 add-in cards. The x8 has the HBA - it could probably connect through the chipset as the drives are just rust, but the board in MicroATX and doesn't have the physical slots. With Threadripper level PCIe lanes I'd be tempted to run pure NVMe storage with a couple of those Hyper m.2 cards, use the HBA for spinning rust back-up, and run a GPU or 2 for local LLM stuff.

I could get up to 5 NVMe drives connected to the CPU on x570 (4 through bifuracation +1 on the mobo), but that would lose the HBA. x670 gets 4 through bifurcation +2 on the mobo for direct CPU connection. I just took a look at consumer Intel z890 block diagram and I had thought they had a couple more CPU NVMe available, but they don't seem to. Oh well.
 
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I run the lanes as x4/x4/-/- for the first PCIe x16 slot and x8 for the second, with two NVMes in the x4/x4/-/- slot using one of those Asus Hyper m.2 add-in cards. The x8 has the HBA - it could probably connect through the chipset as the drives are just rust, but the board in MicroATX and doesn't have the physical slots. With Threadripper level PCIe lanes I'd be tempted to run pure NVMe storage with a couple of those Hyper m.2 cards, use the HBA for spinning rust back-up, and run a GPU or 2 for local LLM stuff.

I could get up to 5 NVMe drives connected to the CPU on x570 (4 through bifuracation +1 on the mobo), but that would lose the HBA. x670 gets 4 through bifurcation +2 on the mobo for direct CPU connection. I just took a look at consumer Intel z890 block diagram and I had thought they had a couple more CPU NVMe available, but they don't seem to. Oh well.
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Pure nvme storage sounds amazing. Would your network speed become a bottleneck at that point? I didn't know you could do so much with a MicroATX mb. Which gen are your pci lanes? I have a similar set up but mine is a EATX MB. I have an older gen Asus Hypers m.2 addon as my MB only has PCI gen 3. I also use one of those cheap HBAs in addition to using the chipset to attach 8 hdds and 4 ssds. I also have two used Chinese 3090 turbos to mess around with local llms. This might be more of a homelab thread question, but what kind of services do you run? I'm still really new to all this, so I would love to get some advice.
 
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