Muurloen
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That scene is basically telling us that the new Resistance is going to be made up of force sensitive former slave children.... since they are all nobodies.... like Rey.
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Royal
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I thought you were a big prequel guy. As little as I've watched TPM I remember Anakin's mother telling Qui-Gon that Anakin had special powers and him telling her the reason the boy appeared to have such fast reflexes was essentially because he was using precognition to see things before they happened. And the only training we see Luke receive was the basic saber lesson from Ben and the let go and trust the force quickie at the Death Star, yet in ESB we see him take it upon himself to pull his lightsaber to his hand in the ice cave.
Jedi training from a early age served two purposes. It was to teach techniques and yes to help them reach their full potential but part of the reason, maybe even the biggest part, it was stressed so much by the jedi themselves was to help make sure those students would take to their philosophy beyond just how to do things thru the force.
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kegkilla
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ESB takes place 3 years after ANH. Plenty of time for Anakin to apply the lessons learned from Obi Wan and for his force ghost to get his ass up to speed.
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TJT
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The Force is for the Noble Poors. Rich kids are no longer allowed to be force sensitive.
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TJT
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Yah. Luke spent months training with a renowned Jedi Master with 700 years experience and centuries of teaching Jedi the ways of the Force. Still couldn't life his X-Wing out of the swamp.
Rey spends the weekend at Luke's Island Spa Resort and then lifts an avalanche like its nothing. Got this force bullshit on lock.
The lack of consistency within the context for the films itself is just terrible and annoying.
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So you make a reasonable assumption. Which was all anyone could do at that point since we don't see those intervening years between the movies. But it's just an assumption, however reasonable it might be, not some hard fact. You could also assume, based on Luke's reaction when Ben's force ghost appeared to him, that was the first time he had seen Ben in that form or perhaps even the first time he had heard from him again since the destruction of the Death Star. We just don't know for sure how "life after death" works within the force mythology when we're taking those things in and we don't have to. As long as we can reasonably fill in blanks it works. Ben helping him now and again or Luke making some gains by feeling his abilities out on his own both work within the context of the story.
But part of it being just an assumption is we have to be willing to adjust it as we learn more later. We know very little of Luke's life prior to ANH beyond him being a good pilot but what we learn of Anakin as a boy tells us it's likely that Luke also showed indications of force abilities beyond those that meshed well with his piloting skills, we just aren't shown them just as we weren't with Anakin. We just know he had them because his mother said so (provided we take her as a reliable source).
The truth is the movies show us very few force users before their moment of discovery as force sensitives. Certainly not enough for us to reasonably assume that that in a galaxy full of individuals in which there were thousands of jedi running around that there was a hard line of could's and could not's as to what they could do minus any formal training. It seems far more reasonable that some of them would have a stronger affinity with the force and be able to do more without such training than some others could while some could achieve greater heights thru training and practice than even those with such an affinity absent the same amount of training. And neither of those excludes a third possibility of the force itself propelling someone along in an effort to balance itself, which Snoke mentioned to Kylo.
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i really wanna play KOTOR though after watching TLJ, playing in a world where the jedi are at the height of their power is gonna be fun as fuck plus its like 10,000 years away from this clusterfuck of a story. they recently did another update i think to the (user mod) KOTOR textures bringing them up to 4k and stuff
i wish i could get into SWTOR but its been like 7 years since i played and i think, like all MMOs, I would login and have no idea what the fuck is going on with my gear, inventory, map, quests, etc.
i wish i could get into SWTOR but its been like 7 years since i played and i think, like all MMOs, I would login and have no idea what the fuck is going on with my gear, inventory, map, quests, etc.
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Months of training? You really don't get that impression while watching the movie. It seems like a few days. Even piecing together the information to come out years later as to the distances between the locations shown most people conclude it took place over several weeks at most.
And Luke's failure with the X-wing wasn't due to a lack of training, according to Yoda, but rather a lack of belief on Luke's part that he could do it. Training probably helps to chip that sort of doubt away but still doesn't seem to have been the overriding requirement.
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Too bad the unique and awesome story of KOTOR has been thrown in trash by your pals at Disney who you insist on throwing hundreds of dollars at with whatever half-baked ticket churning scheme you're working.
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TJT
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While I could have worded it better this is splitting hairs to defend the Luke training vs the Rey training scenes in their respective films. Rey's trials were dogshit and unfulfilling and also not interesting. Rey needing to learn the Force to overcome Kylo is weaker and the entire construct is riddled with Space Nuns and Space Walrus milk and other weird shit.
If we want to be more accurate and not talk about the training time at all. Rey's training impact is much weaker than Luke's. The struggle and reward for all of it simply isn't there. Regardless of it being a weekend or a year.
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Some of it could be explained by "public knowledge".
For Luke, he came at a point where the Jedi were extinct. Intentionally srubbed from the galaxy. Uncle owen would have intentionally NOT told Luke shit about the Force. So, luke had to be told the Force exists, and then told by Yoda/Obiwan what it can do and how to learn to reach out to it.
Rey and dumb kid, are coming a point, where the Force is known again. And, likely the public has a better idea about it. And so, they can pick it up faster, because they have expectations of what to actually try, and how to reach out to it.
For Luke, he came at a point where the Jedi were extinct. Intentionally srubbed from the galaxy. Uncle owen would have intentionally NOT told Luke shit about the Force. So, luke had to be told the Force exists, and then told by Yoda/Obiwan what it can do and how to learn to reach out to it.
Rey and dumb kid, are coming a point, where the Force is known again. And, likely the public has a better idea about it. And so, they can pick it up faster, because they have expectations of what to actually try, and how to reach out to it.
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And then you get to be a Jedi, and you get to be a Jedi.... EVERYONE GETS TO BE A JEDI!
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Except when talking to Han Solo in TFA she thought Luke Skywalker and the Jedi stories were a fucking myth and the public at large had bascially no idea about the Jedi aspect of Return of the Jedi. Just that the Emperor got rekt.
Oh the Force must exist? Maybe if I sit and think real hard like I can do shit with it huh? This is shitty because it undermines the concept that becoming a Jedi and using the Force is extremely difficult and can take years and years of discipline, training, and a monk like dedication to become an adept user of the Force.
There is a shitty cam out of this and so I will be slowly watching it and making notes and making a list scene by scene.
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I would have enjoyed this film more if it had Larry David and Leon in it pondering questions more interesting than anything which was answered in this film, like do Jedi use the force to jerk themselves off? Why wouldn't they? Or in Rey's case...
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