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Helldiver
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More F2P FYIs
-If you were using slottables back during paid, careful. Any new purple mods you get will need to be unlocked.
-If you remove a mod from your orange gear it loses the "authorization" if put on another peice of gear. Removing mods costs more for F2P players.
-Cannot mail money to alts, and you're limited to just one item.
Not sure if mentioned but,
-You're limited to 20 Commendations. Any extra get destroyed.
-F2P pay more for commendation gear. Mathematically it seems to work badly in the end. I figured if you're using commendation gear to level a toon, it's best to hold on to your quest turn ins. Turn in enough quests to get you to 20 comms, buy the gear you want, and repeat. Really sucks since I had stored up a lot of coms for mods and stuff to help friends, alts, etc.
-Although the game gives you 99 tockens to buy your first set of end game gear (or what ever it is), you lose 39 of them, since F2P is capped at 60.
-Capped at 250,000 credits (or could be 350k, I forget). Means you won't be buying any of the 50 mounts, expensive stuff in the AH, etc.
-F2P receive less experience for anything they do. Although I'm sure you guys knew that.
-If you were using slottables back during paid, careful. Any new purple mods you get will need to be unlocked.
-If you remove a mod from your orange gear it loses the "authorization" if put on another peice of gear. Removing mods costs more for F2P players.
-Cannot mail money to alts, and you're limited to just one item.
Not sure if mentioned but,
-You're limited to 20 Commendations. Any extra get destroyed.
-F2P pay more for commendation gear. Mathematically it seems to work badly in the end. I figured if you're using commendation gear to level a toon, it's best to hold on to your quest turn ins. Turn in enough quests to get you to 20 comms, buy the gear you want, and repeat. Really sucks since I had stored up a lot of coms for mods and stuff to help friends, alts, etc.
-Although the game gives you 99 tockens to buy your first set of end game gear (or what ever it is), you lose 39 of them, since F2P is capped at 60.
-Capped at 250,000 credits (or could be 350k, I forget). Means you won't be buying any of the 50 mounts, expensive stuff in the AH, etc.
-F2P receive less experience for anything they do. Although I'm sure you guys knew that.
Same here. I love the fact I can fire up Guild Wars 2, SWTOR, or PS2 and have a few hours fun without a sub.
The funny thing is I bought MOP, and after making 90, doing a few raids, and doing a few dailies, I went right back to the other three games
SWTOR at max level is still awful. These are not the endgame plans you are looking for.
How do you get the tokens , do old characters get them as well. Or is it rewarded once you hit 50?
Edit:Well to answer my own question , found the quest on the daily pve terminal near the vendors that sell the items. Was sent to talk to the vendor and was given 99 tokens.
Edit:Well to answer my own question , found the quest on the daily pve terminal near the vendors that sell the items. Was sent to talk to the vendor and was given 99 tokens.
Kithani
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I get what he's saying too, but just like every other "reason" for this game lacking content in whatever form, it turns into complete bullshit when you think that they spent >$100,000,000 developing it. This game was pretty fun for the first few months, I really wanted it to succeed, but looking back it should've been obvious where it was heading when it was released by EA. This is the same company that charges everyone $60 a year for some glorified FPS map packs and roster updates for FIFA.
tbh i would not say that no one play anymore. Since they merged servers, EU pve one is pretty much full, from 2 full instance in interfleet off peak hour to 3+ on peak.
Minor planets are generally full too, and often with more than 1 instance. There are PUGS ops going on pretty much every day both off and prime time. PVP is very active too both pre 50 and 50, waits times are very short. We can argue game sucks (true), we can argue it lost tons of player (true), but that no one plays it? far from it.
Minor planets are generally full too, and often with more than 1 instance. There are PUGS ops going on pretty much every day both off and prime time. PVP is very active too both pre 50 and 50, waits times are very short. We can argue game sucks (true), we can argue it lost tons of player (true), but that no one plays it? far from it.
Mr Creed
Too old for this shit
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I'm not giving any credit to EA and wish they would cease to be, but you cannot put the blame for this failure on the publisher who forked out 150-300 mill or whatever more it really was. The same way I'm sure Lucasarts had influence but I doubt they ordered them to hamstring the project. EA and Lucasarts wanted this to be a big hit. Mismanagement, wrong people in important positions, wrong decisions at the start of the project like engine choice, and most importantly living in a bubble for 5 years and making a WoW'07 clone are all grave mistakes made by Bioware.
Daidraco
Golden Baronet of the Realm
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Which is all pretty spot on. That Engine is a huge factor for what they can and cannot do. High numbers of players cannot be displayed in a timely fashion. Graphics had to be lowered over all just to handle the few that would display. The very idea of having controllable ships, which was the point of Space Hangars (we found out in hindsight) was scrapped because the engine couldnt handle it for whatever reason. Not to mention the fact that without open space, it was just beyond pointless. Open space being a "We'll add that later" kind of thing. Putting the cart before the Horse is stating it kindly. The single player experience that this game offers is fun. But its really disappointing to find out how much better this game could have been if brighter people were put in positions of power.
I wonder how many subs Star Wars Galaxies had over it's lifetime and the ripple effect of NGE. Galaxies was hamstrung by using the timeframe of the movies and trying to actually create a wholly different game. However, it was something new and innovative before Lucasarts pushed to turn it into a worthless WOW clone.
I get the feeling Lucasarts people, who do wield a ton of power over their IP and games, always felt all they needed was a better WOW clone to own the universe. I feel Bioware had no real plan outside of delivering a Mass Effect/KOTOR style level experience. I'd put the blame for this equally on Bioware and Lucasarts for not putting the proper people in place and having any sort of good long term plan or realistic MMO projections.
I think the proper punishment for all the assclowns who screwed up Galaxies and SWTOR would be to force them into gaming Siberia. AKA:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasoneva...gaming-toybox/
HR at game companies can now have potentials roll up their sleeves during interviews. "... yeah, sorry but no ...."Let's never forget these Heroes
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Meh, whatever, haters. I had fun in this game when I bought it. Played the shit out of it for about 6 mos. Actually, out of all the wow clones this one was definitely the best. I enjoyed leveling, I enjoyed the PvP and even the Illum fiasco was memorable. Probably the most memorable game since vanilla and TBC WoW.
moontayle
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I think just like any game, if you go looking for problems, you'll find them. With SWTOR they are little more on the surface than is acceptable (even I'll admit this), but they really have done a lot to resolve many of the issues that plagued the game at release. A lot of the game's failings simply come from the IP and what they didn't do with it. Look at the complaints here. Lack of free form Space and a lack of alien species have been coming up since release.
For PvE people who raid, I think any complaints about the end game are bullshit unless you're clearing Nightmare Mode EC in less than 2 hours. If you're not a raider, then you probably have a legitimate complaint since the only Flashpoint to be added since release was Kaon (which is balls easy, I 3-manned that with our DPS being a PT Pyro and his Battlemaster geared Gault) and Lost Island (which is actually challenging), but they did add the HK-51 questline (which has high and low points) and two new daily quest areas (which actually extend the story a bit). PvP players have the biggest gripe. Ranked is a joke (and I've gone over why previously), the CC is out of control, and there's no real open world PvP going on except anything put together by the players in Outlaw's Den. I think that's the most surprising to me, that with the Dark Age and Warhammer developers in the fold that more hasn't been done to push Open World in a similar vein to those games. I said it before and I'll say it again, but when Dark Age added the ability for guilds to claim keeps, and when my guild went out to Benowyc to claim it, seeing our guild emblem hanging from the walls of the keep remains the most memorable moment in my MMO gaming history. I want more of that, but I've yet to see them capable of delivering that in any capacity.
For PvE people who raid, I think any complaints about the end game are bullshit unless you're clearing Nightmare Mode EC in less than 2 hours. If you're not a raider, then you probably have a legitimate complaint since the only Flashpoint to be added since release was Kaon (which is balls easy, I 3-manned that with our DPS being a PT Pyro and his Battlemaster geared Gault) and Lost Island (which is actually challenging), but they did add the HK-51 questline (which has high and low points) and two new daily quest areas (which actually extend the story a bit). PvP players have the biggest gripe. Ranked is a joke (and I've gone over why previously), the CC is out of control, and there's no real open world PvP going on except anything put together by the players in Outlaw's Den. I think that's the most surprising to me, that with the Dark Age and Warhammer developers in the fold that more hasn't been done to push Open World in a similar vein to those games. I said it before and I'll say it again, but when Dark Age added the ability for guilds to claim keeps, and when my guild went out to Benowyc to claim it, seeing our guild emblem hanging from the walls of the keep remains the most memorable moment in my MMO gaming history. I want more of that, but I've yet to see them capable of delivering that in any capacity.
Agenor
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Raided 3 nights a week in this game. Certainly not close to hardcore. Most of the guild 3 months after launch was in full raid gear. We had people getting 4-5 pieces in 1 raid night in less then 2 hours. It turned into now what do we do.
Also, different levels of difficulty for the same raid is lazy ass design. As bad as EQ2 was at least even they had multiple raids to tackle not fucking 2. SWTOR devs don't seem to get the concept of dangling the carrot to keep the raid crew interested long term.
moontayle
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And now there's 4 and there's a clear progression through 2 paths, one for casual raiders, one for progression raiders. Casual is Story Mode EV -> KP -> EC -> TFB. The first two you can even do through the group finder. EC is a step up, which is why Rakata drops, but I've gone through it just fine with a mix of Columi and Rakata on my Sniper. In fact, my first clear of EC SM was in my assassin, doing a DPS spec in my min/maxed WH Hybrid Tank gear. I can honestly say that I haven't done TFB but the raiders I do know tend to gush about the quality of the raid overall.
Progression raiding as it stands now is Hard Mode EV -> KP -> EC -> TFB -> Nightmare EC. And again, the raiders I do know honestly dig the challenge that BW has presented them through this.
So let me reiterate. Unless you're clearing Nightmare Mode EC in less than two hours, you really don't have anything to complain about. I don't care where you stood 3 months after release, the question is where you stand NOW.
Progression raiding as it stands now is Hard Mode EV -> KP -> EC -> TFB -> Nightmare EC. And again, the raiders I do know honestly dig the challenge that BW has presented them through this.
So let me reiterate. Unless you're clearing Nightmare Mode EC in less than two hours, you really don't have anything to complain about. I don't care where you stood 3 months after release, the question is where you stand NOW.
Agenor
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