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The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !
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Well clearly PC users are once again the winners, but besides that just shows that all the people on this board that said Titanfall would fail were wrong again.
Szlia
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Titanfall came out on the 11th and InFamous on the 21st so it's obvious a March comparison will favor the former. That said, sales of most titles being very top heavy, it's pretty clear that Titanfall on XB1 will outsell InFamous. Note though that the supposedly 'content starved' PS4 owners bought a lot more MGS: Ground Zeroes than XB1 owners (not like there is much content to be had in that, but that's another debate!).
So I don't know how both companies tally there sales figures when it comes to announcements, but if they are both going off of sales to retailers then yes according to MS, CNET, ETC
The Xbox has sold 5 million.
http://news.xbox.com/2014/04/xbox-one-march-npd
http://www.cnet.com/news/playstation...oftware-sales/
The Xbox has sold 5 million.
http://news.xbox.com/2014/04/xbox-one-march-npd
http://www.cnet.com/news/playstation...oftware-sales/
Judging by how well Ghost is still selling ( Outselling MGS, and Dark Souls 2), I'm sure Titanfall will be the number one game for next round as well with a huge surge from 360 sales that were not counted.
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Did you even read your links?
"Microsoft announced that it sold 311,000 units in the US in March, and said that the console had surpassed 5 million units sold-in -- meaning only sold to retailers, not purchased by consumers -- worldwide."
311k sold to consumers in March is fact. 5 million sold to retailers is fact.
However, 5 million sold to consumers is not an evidenced fact (although it's possible if most vendors are sold out, although they are not from what I've seen). [Additionally the first link quotes the same, but without the elaboration to make it clear they're RETAILER BOUGHT for the 5m figure - "We?re also happy to share today that more than 5 million Xbox One consoles have been sold-in to retailers since our launch."]
So they sold 5 million.... Exactly what are you missing. Retailers bought them.
You are making the stipulation of consumer sales.
It says right on the MS article
You are making the stipulation of consumer sales.
It says right on the MS article
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And the second article elaborates on what "sold-in" means - it means sold to retailers, not necessarily sold to end-users/consumers.
Bought and sitting in a warehouse amongst other possibilities are included in that 5 million figure. That's not 5 million sold to consumers that they've got sitting underneath their TV like your open-ended "sold" phrasing is attempting to imply.
It's a very open-ended figure though, it's POSSIBLE all 5 million are "sold" in the sense you're implying - but there's nothing there that evidences it - in fact they phrased things to explicitly make it clear they're not stating that 5 million were sold to consumers. But if 5 million shipped to retailers and all did sell, they could quote the same. (As well as if say only 15 of them sold worldwide, but retailers bought 5 million - it's a pretty worthless figure on its own for what you're trying to use it for)
On "retailers buying them" - sure they did, but that's comparing apples to oranges against other figures - generally speaking that's referred to as "shipped" in most figures, "sold" refers to those bought by the end user normally. "Sold" in the PS4 context is in consumers hands for example where it's always been separate from the "shipped" figure the few times they've mentioned it.
With the games mentioned earlier, games "sold" are sold at retail to consumers, not sold to retailers. Ad nauseum. Or in short - use the word shipped for the 5 million figure if you're going to try to apply it equally, because that's the common vernacular.
Bought and sitting in a warehouse amongst other possibilities are included in that 5 million figure. That's not 5 million sold to consumers that they've got sitting underneath their TV like your open-ended "sold" phrasing is attempting to imply.
It's a very open-ended figure though, it's POSSIBLE all 5 million are "sold" in the sense you're implying - but there's nothing there that evidences it - in fact they phrased things to explicitly make it clear they're not stating that 5 million were sold to consumers. But if 5 million shipped to retailers and all did sell, they could quote the same. (As well as if say only 15 of them sold worldwide, but retailers bought 5 million - it's a pretty worthless figure on its own for what you're trying to use it for)
On "retailers buying them" - sure they did, but that's comparing apples to oranges against other figures - generally speaking that's referred to as "shipped" in most figures, "sold" refers to those bought by the end user normally. "Sold" in the PS4 context is in consumers hands for example where it's always been separate from the "shipped" figure the few times they've mentioned it.
With the games mentioned earlier, games "sold" are sold at retail to consumers, not sold to retailers. Ad nauseum. Or in short - use the word shipped for the 5 million figure if you're going to try to apply it equally, because that's the common vernacular.
And why would I care about consumer numbers? MS still sold those units off....
That's your cross to burn.
When they post figures for the year that are open to the public they don't break them out with consumer sales versus retail sales..
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The entire industry uses "sold at retail" figures for "sold"... that's how the industry as a whole operates... (NPD for example - uses "sold at retail" for their sales figures - something expected to do well and overstocked bombs - still reported as shitty numbers, not retailer bought figures that inflate things)
The rare times they mention retailer bought figures they use the word "shipped" - but shipped quantities are rarely reported.
5 million sold is still 5 million sold for MS. They are currently out tracking their last generation console.
You can put whatever term, or spin you want on it, but they made money off the console sold to retailers.
You can put whatever term, or spin you want on it, but they made money off the console sold to retailers.
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Depends on their agreement - books and software actually have a "buy-back" stipulation that the retailer can return supply to get refunded a portion of the original investment - not sure if hardware has the same options, not been relevant for any modern system before. (Might not even be now - but "sold to retailers" does sometimes come back in some industries including the software side of this one)
Regardless the entire point to the "console war" discussion is which has the larger installed user base - not how good of an investment a given company is or whatever argument you think "sold to retailers" supports...
That's your fight, and a couple other dweebs that bet on consumer numbers.
All I care about is if the Xbox is a success for MS, and they are claiming it is doing better then there last console.
The fight for year one numbers was lost a long time ago. Now who has better games is very debatable.
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That's fine, but you might want to be clearer of your meaning when the context in the thread in general is something different.
[Although I will state, depending on the parts cost of the unit to produce including fail rate etc - it's possible they're actually losing money selling units - wasn't the breakdown over $425 a unit on the X1? Which means counting software costs, shipping and some profit for the vendors (or profit sharing depending on their agreement) all adding to that it could creep over $500 - I know back in PS1 era, Babbage's actually LOST money selling every console we sold only a few dollars - but we were selling the units so that the consumers would come back and buy games and warranties from us not to profit from the consoles themselves]
[Although I will state, depending on the parts cost of the unit to produce including fail rate etc - it's possible they're actually losing money selling units - wasn't the breakdown over $425 a unit on the X1? Which means counting software costs, shipping and some profit for the vendors (or profit sharing depending on their agreement) all adding to that it could creep over $500 - I know back in PS1 era, Babbage's actually LOST money selling every console we sold only a few dollars - but we were selling the units so that the consumers would come back and buy games and warranties from us not to profit from the consoles themselves]
Since they had that argument like 9 times in this same thread you can educate yourself with that very answer by using the wonderful search engine.
BTW the thread title is ps4 vs Xbox one not who sold the most consumer units. Infact, that discussion only sparked up much later when it was obvious that the Xbox one was not going to fail at launch.
En-citing Tuco to form his contest.
BTW the thread title is ps4 vs Xbox one not who sold the most consumer units. Infact, that discussion only sparked up much later when it was obvious that the Xbox one was not going to fail at launch.
En-citing Tuco to form his contest.
Yeah right. If its a fight you mods have me handcuffed, and gave my opponent a flame thrower..
We all know how this goes down...
Szlia
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It's difficult to know exactly how full the glass is from Microsoft's perspective. On one hand the XB1 is selling faster than the very successful X360, on the other, their market share against their direct competitor is shaping up to be dramatically worst than during the previous generation.