The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Grimmlokk_sl said:

Eventually he hits rock bottom and starts visiting Rerolled...PS4 is a gateway drug, don't let it happen to your kids.

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That wasn't an inspirational story? What level in life is higher than achieving the enlightenment of tranny porn?

And really isn't the Xbone the tranny porn of the console market? There are a lot of very sexy features but you have to reconcile that a dick is connected to all those features.

Mixtilplix_sl said:

It's the internet?

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I forgot. Tough guys everywhere. Just imagine what he teaches his kids to talk like on XBL...

Foggy_sl said:

And really isn't the Xbone the tranny porn of the console market? There are a lot of very sexy features but you have to reconcile that a dick is connected to all those features.

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I'd say the WiiU is the tranny. You are ashamed to admit you like it and if you actually do tell your friends they'll call you gay, because you're gay.

The Verge wrote a good article about the problems with the Xbox One TV integration -http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/43...from-google-tv

Here in the UK, I can't see the TV integration working at all. I don't have an external cable box that I can plug in to my TV - I get around 55 TV channels sent straight to my television through my aerial. Microsoft would have to include a Freeview HD tuner inside the box for it to work over here, which I can't see them doing. And then for the people with Sky and Virgin, they'll face the same problems outlined in The Verge article, assuming Microsoft even partner up with them. [Edit - Just read that Sky/Virgin boxes don't have support for HDMI-CEC, meaning they won't work with the Xbox One.]

And this is just one country in Europe. I don't know what the television situation is like in France, Spain, Italy, etc., but I can't imagine the Xbox One will be compatible with their services.

This really feels more like the 'America Box' than the 360 ever did, which will come back to bite them in the ass, in my opinion.

Cor_sl said:

This really feels more like the 'America Box' than the 360 ever did, which will come back to bite them in the ass, in my opinion.

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Yeah, that's my biggest impression of it by far. I think they're going to be in for a rude awakening when Sony gives them real competition in the NA market and they don't dominate it to the extent that they did this last generation this time around and that they're going to be feeling pretty sore when Sony tap dances all over their corpse in Europe.

They also might as well not even release the Xbone in Japan with how big the damned thing is. It was freaking huge in those shots where Geoff Keighly was right up against it with Don post conference (link). Not that they were going to sell any in Japan anyways, but still.



Some HDD info, don't think this has been posted yet, but I might have missed it:http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hard-drive/

No real surprise there, but kind of disappointed that, on the off chance I actually did get one, I won't be able to put a better, bigger HDD in it and would have to rely on external storage at some point.

So I understand the focus on TV was a let down for some. But can someone please fucken explain to me what the PS 4 can do that the Xbone can't?

Oh thats right, fucken nothing. The only thing that will seperate the two machines is exclusives.

DMK_sl said:

So I understand the focus on TV was a let down for some. But can someone please fucken explain to me what the PS 4 can do that the Xbone can't?

Oh thats right, fucken nothing. The only thing that will seperate the two machines is exclusives.

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A significant power difference also separates the two. There is an awfully big difference in how their RAM works and the bus customizations and the GPU difference is pretty big (supposedly).

Reading is fucking hard for this board:http://gamasutra.com/view/feature/19...rk_.php?page=1

DMK_sl said:

So I understand the focus on TV was a let down for some. But can someone please fucken explain to me what the PS 4 can do that the Xbone can't?

Oh thats right, fucken nothing. The only thing that will seperate the two machines is exclusives.

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PS4, confirmed to not require an always on connection.

Whereas, the X-onedirection (press conference seemed marketed for teens) this is what we know.

Kotaku: If I'm playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?

Harrison: I believe it's 24 hours.

Kotaku: I'd have to connect online once every day.

Harrison: Correct.

So the system is built to work even if your Internet connection goes down, but you still have to be connected at least once a day to use it, according to Harrison. We're not sure exactly what would happen if you don't connect once per day-and that timeframe could change-but this doesn't sound good for anyone who was hoping to use Xbox One without an Internet connection.

Update: Sounds like things are a mess over at Microsoft. Now they're telling Polygon that Harrison's comments illustrate a "potential scenario."

"While Phil [Harrison] discussed many potential scenarios around games on Xbox One, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail," a Microsoft rep said. "There have been reports of a specific time period - those were discussions of potential scenarios, but we have not confirmed any details today, nor will we be."

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I'll get the console I can use when I want, even if other things go wrong (internet goes out, or I am on vacation without internet (christmas, easter, etc.

I am guessing most of us are adults with the purchasing power to get all the consoles. As you stated, the games will make the difference. So far, the focus of the X-box is to market features not related to games, and that will most likely not work properly anywhere but in the US.

Scenario - Christmas is coming along with it the holiday release season. A triple-A epic RPG is released by a third party publisher on both consoles, they look identical on both. However, I am going on vacation, with the ability to bring along a console. Who gets the software sale? Obviously the console I can actually use.

So, as for things we know the PS4 can do that the X-one can't. Play games constantly without an internet connection..... That this is even an issue boggles the mind, but it is certainly big enough to put one them ahead in my mind as a "pirmary" console.

Edit: and should note that it is an issue considering that once you start buying games for a certain console. You gain achievements, build up your "account" with levels, and there are often ties to sequels and the like.

Guessing most of us have a PS3 and a X-360, but also guessing that when you buy a game that is shared between them, you buy them for your "primary" console. So, if I start buying games for the PS4 for whatever reason, odds are I'll end up getting every shared game for that, while only the exclusives for the X-one. This is what has happened with the PS3 and X-360 generation for me. Only ever buy exclusives for the 360, everything else, I buy for the PS3. Simply because in the beginning it was cheaper and often faster to get it for the PS3 due to region free drives and the ability to import games.

As for the whole, everyone has a 360 argument. I know one person with one other than me. However, nearly everyone I know has a PS3. The US is not the world. If MS thinks so, it will come to bite them in the ass.

DMK_sl said:

So I understand the focus on TV was a let down for some. But can someone please fucken explain to me what the PS 4 can do that the Xbone can't?

Oh thats right, fucken nothing. The only thing that will seperate the two machines is exclusives.

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There is other stuff outside of the TV focus.

- The PS4 has, on paper, better hardware (better GPU, more ram for games, faster ram). Multiplatform games will run better and first party games will look better. I don't really care too much about Sony's first party IPs, though, so they're not a huge selling point for me.

- Still have to pay for Xbox Live Gold. I haven't paid for Gold for around.. 5 years? I'm not going to start paying for it with the Xbox One. Outside of the US, all you get with Xbox Live Gold is the ability to play online and download demos a week earlier - it's a shitty deal.

- Playstation Plus, assuming it carries over to the PS4 in its current form, is pretty damn amazing. You pay a small monthly fee (less than Xbox Live Gold in the UK) and get access to abunch of gamesas part of the subscription. I get the feeling Sony will charge for multiplayer with the PS4, but I'd be fine with that if they bundled it in with Playstation Plus.

- Used games/rented games. Sony has said that they won't block used/rented games, which is great, while Microsoft's stance on the matter doesn't seem clear at all. There is a chance that Sony will 180 on this, of course.

- Finally, the Xbox One doesn't seem like it's targeted at me. Looking at the presentation, they're aiming at Americans who watch a lot of TV, in particular sports, and play a lot of COD and Madden. I guess I'm simply not the target consumer for the Xbox One. I'll be buying my console to play games and games alone, and from what we've seen so far, the PS4 will be better for that purpose.

Incidentally, I'm leaning towards upgrading my PC at the moment. Neither of the consoles have really blown me away quite yet. They'll both have to impress at E3.

Sean_sl said:

A significant power difference also separates the two. There is an awfully big difference in how their RAM works and the bus customizations and the GPU difference is pretty big --------->>>>>>(supposedly).<<<<<<<<------------------

Reading is fucking hard for this board:http://gamasutra.com/view/feature/19...rk_.php?page=1

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Just like that massive power difference in the ps3. Oh thats right most games ran worse on the PS3 then the Xbox 360. But good one.

Also the Xbone does not require always online.

Sony or Microsoft both haven't made official announcements on used games etc. Once again please show me FACTS that the PS 4 can do something the Xbone can't.

Exclusives and personal preference will split the two. Just like this generation. Anyone that says differently is absolutely kidding themselves.
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DMK_sl said:

Just like that massive power difference in the ps3. Oh thats right most games ran worse on the PS3 then the Xbox 360. But good one.

Also the Xbone does not require always online.

Sony or Microsoft both haven't made official announcements on used games etc. Once again please show me FACTS that the PS 4 can do something the Xbone can't.

Exclusives and personal preference will split the two. Just like this generation. Anyone that says differently is absolutely kidding themselves.
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Well, things are different with this generation of hardware.

Both the PS4 and the Xbox One are based around AMD's x86 GCN architecture, albeit with some slight differences. Both seem to have similar CPUs, so that's a wash, but the PS4's GPU appears to have around 50% extra performance over the Xbox One GPU. And then there's the difference in RAM between the two - the PS4 supposedly reserves 1gb of RAM for the OS leaving 7gb for games while the Xbox One only leaves 5gb available for games, and then there's the memory bandwidth difference between the GDDR5 RAM in the PS4 and the DDR3 RAM in the Xbox One. It's very likely that the performance differences with multiplatform games will be bigger next gen than this gen.

RE: Used games.

It's hard to make sense of anything Microsoft is saying on the matter at the moment. They're constantly contradicting themselves. Sony, on the other hand, has said they won't block used games -http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ock-used-games.

RE: Always online.

A 24 hour check in is a pain, albeit one that can be worked around. If my internet went down for 24 hours, I'm sure I'd be able to use my smartphone as a mobile hotspot to get the Xbox One working again.

My concern is with Microsoft's focus on its Azure cloud featureset. They said that certain game processes, such as physics and AI, could be offloaded to the cloud to be computed there to aid the Xbox One. Isn't that what EA said they were doing with Sim City? Yeah..

And can we stop calling it the 'xbone'. What a dumb fucking name.

Edit - And I just read that Microsoft won't be allowing Indies/self-publishing. That's not cool.

DMK_sl said:

Also the Xbone does not require always online.

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Do you have a quote for that other than the one I linked? Where they again, do not deny it (after they confirmed it). It took Sony less than a day to deny that rumor when it surfaced about the PS4 a while ago.

Cor_sl said:

Well, things are different with this generation of hardware.

Both the PS4 and the Xbox One are based around AMD's x86 GCN architecture, albeit with some slight differences. Both seem to have similar CPUs, so that's a wash, but the PS4's GPU appears to have around 50% extra performance over the Xbox One GPU. And then there's the difference in RAM between the two - the PS4 supposedly reserves 1gb of RAM for the OS leaving 7gb for games while the Xbox One only leaves 5gb available for games, and then there's the memory bandwidth difference between the GDDR5 RAM in the PS4 and the DDR3 RAM in the Xbox One. It's very likely that the performance differences with multiplatform games will be bigger next gen than this gen.

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Anyone who doesn't think this significant of a difference won't matter is pretty much crazy. Plus, not only is that quite a significant power difference, there were a few leaks about the PS4 being much more accessible to program for and that developers had much more access to the hardware while the Xbone is very API restricted and has very tight DX11 constraints on developers. That's going to make a difference too. I also imagine that the Xbone's level of multitasking and instant flipping + 3 OSes takes up quite a bit of resources.

I think if Microsoft's hardware was up to snuff they would have said something instead of totally skirting the issue in all the post-conference shit. Even during the so called "architecture" stream they said dick all while Sony has been much more open and has even gone really in-depth on some of the hardware of the PS4.

I like the idea they are trying to accomplish , i think it is nifty. Been waiting for the future to come , now where is my robot that brings me drinks!!?

It would be amazing if developers decided to use the cloud to make up for Xbone's lackluster hardware, thus making the Xbone always online and not a daily check.

Didn't know DMK was such an Xbro. He mad.

before the xbox one was revealed, analysts were saying it was going to beat the ps4 in every benchmark. i think that will hold true, but this presentation was so underwhelming. the used game provision is way too restrictive and who gives a shit about tv and call of duty?

supertouch_sl said:

before the xbox one was revealed, analysts were saying it was going to beat the ps4 in every benchmark. i think that will hold true, but this presentation was so underwhelming. the used game provision is way too restrictive and who gives a shit about tv and call of duty?

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Provide links because I call BS. Everything we know about the consoles, and we know more than enough at this point, says the PS4 will be much more powerful. Unless having better RAM, bus, and GPU means you are worse at benchmarks. All we had was one "leak" that claims Xbone's hardware was amazing, which was proven false yesterday.