The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Abefroman

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So when is war thunder coming out for ps4 in n.a.? Little disappointed there has been no free shit on ps+ this month.
 

Szlia

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To better understand the situation, it would really be interesting to have a somewhat reliable estimate of how many units Microsoft and Sony are able to produce.

Be it because of yield issues, delay with the Kinect implementation for small market languages or just a strategy, Microsoft are trying to be competitive in the markets where they know their brand is strong. Sony's pretty standard world wide strategy (with the exception of a delayed Japan), should win them Europe and Asia, but I wonder if it would not be a better strategy to focus on the competition in North America and the UK. The herd dynamic created by multiplayer ('I am buying a ____ , because my friends have a ____ .') make every early adopted console weight several consoles in the long run, so competing where there is competition is paramount: a PS4 sold in Korea when it could have been sold in the US is like losing 5 sales.
 

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Btw, the whole "yield issues" thing isn't about Defective Units (in a completely put together box sense). It's really a science and math thing involving their APU. The ESRAM takes up an absolutely gigantic part of the wafer the APU is built from and leaves far less room for redundancy in usable stuff. You can have really good runs on chips and it won't be an issue, but chances are you're going to run into a significant amount of stuff that you have to just junk. Sony doesn't have this issue due to not having to have RAM be on the APU and it's why they have a more powerful GPU. If Microsoft hadn't gone with extra ram that had to be on the chipset then they actuallypossiblycould have gone with a more powerful GPU than Sony.
I believed the yield rumors at first, but I don't think that's really the case. Both PS4 and Xbone chips are almost the exact same size and probably produced at the same facilities. If you look look at the Chipworks comparisons (AnandTech | Chipworks Confirms Xbox One SoC Has 14 CUs with 2 Disabled), they both have two redundant compute units to protect against defects. Both companies seem to be producing almost the same number of units too; I think it's more likely that neither could ramp up production in time to satisfy demand.
 

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To better understand the situation, it would really be interesting to have a somewhat reliable estimate of how many units Microsoft and Sony are able to produce.

Be it because of yield issues, delay with the Kinect implementation for small market languages or just a strategy, Microsoft are trying to be competitive in the markets where they know their brand is strong. Sony's pretty standard world wide strategy (with the exception of a delayed Japan), should win them Europe and Asia, but I wonder if it would not be a better strategy to focus on the competition in North America and the UK. The herd dynamic created by multiplayer ('I am buying a ____ , because my friends have a ____ .') make every early adopted console weight several consoles in the long run, so competing where there is competition is paramount: a PS4 sold in Korea when it could have been sold in the US is like losing 5 sales.
Their strategy is pretty clearly to stay even in NA and win every other region they won last generation, which necessitates not delaying their releases in those friendly regions to the same degree they can get away with in Japan.
 

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XBones main selling points have been media integration. This is almost non existent in the UK.

Another interesting point media coverage of the two consoles in the UK didn't highlight the PS4s superiority in the UK pre release but has started doing so post release.

Right now it's easy to pick up an XBone in the UK. PS4 not so much.
 

Column_sl

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Xbox is pretty awesome for a hub for allot of your devices.

For instance right now my xbox one controls my DVR, and the PS3.
I bought all my wifes work out stuff on the xbox fitness thing, and she loves that the kinect tracks her every move through those routines.

Its more active versus her just watching the same DVD's everytime.

I assume if you loved P90x this would be wayyy better then just buying there DVD sets

I won't let my Xbox one control my PS4 yet tho lol.
 

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How is the fitness stuff by the way? Is it as successfully gamified as it look? It sounded super interesting from what the giantbomb guys were saying.
 

Column_sl

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Its very good. Its just the same fitness programs, but the Kinect gives you constant feedback on if you are slacking etc. ( Virtual trainer)

Then they built in this huge achievement/ goal system. The biggest problem with work out routines is boredom, if they can get you excited to do these events every day you log in then that helps 100% with your motivation.
Also they have a pretty large library allready, which is very good.

For myself, i work out at the gym so it doesn't help me but for women, or men doing P90x I can allready see this as being very big for them.
 

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This is literally the opposite where I live. I've seen PeS4s in stock, but never XB1s.



Do you have some proof of this? Maybe they want to focus their rollout in countries that are big supporters of Microsoft and the Xbox brand. Why waste units in countries where Xbox doesn't sell well anyway?
Ok I have to call bullshit. If you still live in Phoenix, can't find a PS4 in stock ANYWHERE. I have seen and passed xbones more than a few times.
 

Flipmode

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Granted I haven't checked all of the west side of Phoenix but I have checked everywhere in the east valley and central Phoenix.
 

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Will give one internet to anyone who posts a pic of a PS4 in stores with a hi-liter or some other acceptable recognition.
 

Vaclav

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Yep, it's going to be slow for a while (for both systems). I just picked up a 3DS XL though and never had a DS so I have a huuuuuge amount of great games to play in the meantime. It's a really good time to buy a 3DS.

Right now I am the super 3DS Fanboy.
Etrian Oddysey IV is my current addiction... Holy shit...
 

Vaclav

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Obsidian: Did you use their HDMI included or your own? I had a 600Hz one for my TiVo I swapped over assuming it was better than the included and your errors sound similar to my first 30 min of using mine and panicking.

If you haven't use the included HDMI and report back.
 

Vaclav

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I'm playing through the remake of EOI that just released a couple weeks ago: EO Untold: The Millennium Girl.

Pretty good stuff.
Yar it'll be next - just grabbed it on a lark to show the wife because of Persona Q being EOish and us having no experience with the series. Literally drained the battery twice in one day playing it when it got here from gamefly. Kept immediately after next morning.

Gamefly sent me LEGO Marvel which is surprisingly decent with constant punny humor injected constantly.
 

Abefroman

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I've seen both in stock in the Glendale/Phoenix area several times over the past week and a half. Target, Fry's, Best Buy and pawnstop.