Erronius
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Errr, that's exactly what it means. Context has meaning.
Well, thanks for obliging me, I guess? I can see how this is going play out from here.
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Well, thanks for obliging me, I guess? I can see how this is going play out from here.
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Are there ANY other games at all outside the hitman franchise where one can manipulate the corpses of sexualized females? That doesn't feel like a 'trope' (lol) at all to me. Rather, it is something unique to the Hitman franchise. Maybe there are one or two other examples, but that hardly constitutes a 'trope' (lol). This is what suggested to me she was talking about Hitman in that segment.
I only ask because I need more games from which I can derive perverse pleasure from. You guys should try it. It's a rush stemming from West Philadelphia born and raised, on the playground is where I spend most of my days. Chilling out, maxin' relaxin all cool, I was shooting some BBall outside the school...
I only ask because I need more games from which I can derive perverse pleasure from. You guys should try it. It's a rush stemming from West Philadelphia born and raised, on the playground is where I spend most of my days. Chilling out, maxin' relaxin all cool, I was shooting some BBall outside the school...
hodj
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Any game where you can manipulate female corpses you can also manipulate male corpses and she chooses to ignore that, engaging in a cherry picking fallacy in the process, to complain about muh soggy knees.
Fallout you can move corpses around, chop them up, play with them, etc. But its not just exclusive to females, and when you unclothe the people, they're in like the most absurdly unrevealing apocalyptic undies you can imagine.
It isn't a trope, anyway. Tropes are defined as
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noun
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a figurative or metaphorical use of a word or expression.
"he used the two-Americas trope to explain how a nation free and democratic at home could act wantonly abroad""
So playing with dead bodies is neither an expression or a word, and they aren't being used in figurative or metaphorical ways.
Its fucking stupid.
The entire thing is just Anita making money off the stupidity of the white knight, never gets laid, internet male gamer demographic.
Fallout you can move corpses around, chop them up, play with them, etc. But its not just exclusive to females, and when you unclothe the people, they're in like the most absurdly unrevealing apocalyptic undies you can imagine.
It isn't a trope, anyway. Tropes are defined as
"trope
trop/Submit
noun
1.
a figurative or metaphorical use of a word or expression.
"he used the two-Americas trope to explain how a nation free and democratic at home could act wantonly abroad""
So playing with dead bodies is neither an expression or a word, and they aren't being used in figurative or metaphorical ways.
Its fucking stupid.
The entire thing is just Anita making money off the stupidity of the white knight, never gets laid, internet male gamer demographic.
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Quaid the whole argument burns to the ground if you actually start examining the mechanics of the games. If you take the 10000 foot view and just say "I don't like it that you can kill women or do things to women in video games" then its fine. You can not like that. Whatever. But she's trying to be very specific about things she doesn't like, but the games just don't work the way she says they do. Tanoomba tries to defend this by saying "she's not talking about those games! She's talking about the 10000 foot view!" but she's not, and even if she were, she'd really need to identify the games she doesn't like if she wanted to make a point. Then people could actually look at those games and realize how full of shit she is.
So, it's just kinda fucking stupid either way. No surprise, Tanoomba has taken the contrarian view and found something that riles people up and I expect he'll continue to do so until enough people start ignoring him/telling him to fuck off (how he hasn't hit this threshold already, I have no idea) or he gets banned. Then it'll probably be back to #blacklivesmatter or rape or some other social issue he can shit up.
So, it's just kinda fucking stupid either way. No surprise, Tanoomba has taken the contrarian view and found something that riles people up and I expect he'll continue to do so until enough people start ignoring him/telling him to fuck off (how he hasn't hit this threshold already, I have no idea) or he gets banned. Then it'll probably be back to #blacklivesmatter or rape or some other social issue he can shit up.
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Time and time again, when this topic gets introduced to an interested 3rd party, they rule against Tanoomba. Yet he steadfastly accuses everyone who sees it that way as engaged in a witchhunt. Absurdity.
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Seriously though, Tanoomba, everyone who sees this anew sides against you here. You had this exact same thing with Chaos and now Erronius, after you had the exact same thing with Quaid, and before that you had it with many of us. Why do all these people, from many diverse backgrounds and who disagree on so much else, see the same thing when they watch that video?
Self-examination, seriously, think for once.
Self-examination, seriously, think for once.
Tanoomba
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Erronius: "Well, thanks for obliging me, I guess? I can see how this is going play out from here."
My pleasure, but if you will do me but one small indulgence, please take this one-question quiz and report to me when you're done:
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=995851&viewfull=1#post995851
I eagerly await your answer.
Quaid: "Are there ANY other games at all outside the hitman franchise where one can manipulate the corpses of sexualized females? That doesn't feel like a 'trope' (lol) at all to me. Rather, it is something unique to the Hitman franchise. Maybe there are one or two other examples, but that hardly constitutes a 'trope' (lol). This is what suggested to me she was talking about Hitman in that segment."
She said "bodies", not "corpses". Heck, let's look at the line again:
"Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters."
Can a corpse even be "unsuspecting"?
And the trope is the presence of vulnerable, sexualized, female NPCs. Sarkeesian found at least 25 modern games that featured this trope, you've got more than enough to derive perverse pleasure from.
Quaid: "It's because we're all misogynist handwringing busybodies, and Tanoomba is the our intellectual superior, Khalid."
Glad to see you've climbed aboard the straw man express too.
My pleasure, but if you will do me but one small indulgence, please take this one-question quiz and report to me when you're done:
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=995851&viewfull=1#post995851
I eagerly await your answer.
Quaid: "Are there ANY other games at all outside the hitman franchise where one can manipulate the corpses of sexualized females? That doesn't feel like a 'trope' (lol) at all to me. Rather, it is something unique to the Hitman franchise. Maybe there are one or two other examples, but that hardly constitutes a 'trope' (lol). This is what suggested to me she was talking about Hitman in that segment."
She said "bodies", not "corpses". Heck, let's look at the line again:
"Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters."
Can a corpse even be "unsuspecting"?
And the trope is the presence of vulnerable, sexualized, female NPCs. Sarkeesian found at least 25 modern games that featured this trope, you've got more than enough to derive perverse pleasure from.
Quaid: "It's because we're all misogynist handwringing busybodies, and Tanoomba is the our intellectual superior, Khalid."
Glad to see you've climbed aboard the straw man express too.
khalid
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Well yeah, he does actually seem to believe that. One of these days I am hoping he grows enough self-criticism to see the absurdity of it.
khalid
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This is from a few pages after his "columns" post.
He keeps saying endlessly that she wasn't talking about Hitman. But then has a post like this, where he says, if she was, she would have been correct.
The dude is a fucking a moron. If what she is saying matches Hitman perfectly (according to Tanoomba), while it was playing in the background and talking about it, WHY IN THE HOLY FUCK CAN'T HE JUST ADMIT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT HITMAN?
Oh right, because then we could easily debunk how Hitman was misrepresented.
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Clearly, fanaskin, you just don't grasp the depth of intellectualism that Tanoomba does. Criticizing the White House as a bad example of columns inspired by Greek and Roman architecture is shitlord logic.
You basically just raped Tanoomba and through Tanoomba you basically raped Anita by proxy.
For shame.
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All depictions of the female body are, by definition, cultural appropriate by males of female culture, and therefore, are basically a form of rape.
Quaid
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The fact of the matter is this:
Sarkeesian holds game developers and players alike responsible for how they engage with their selected medium. As she sees it, the realities of this medium mean that developers send certain messages with their content. They are responsible for these messages. One can assume that she would hold herself to this same standard.
Sarkeesian has chosen a video format for her presentations. A combination of spoken and visual messaging. If she felt context was unnecessary to the message she was attempting to send, she would have chosen a different medium. She is after all, a self proclaimed expert on media criticism. She could have used print, or simply read out her message in front of a Feminist Frequency backdrop. Instead, the savvy Ms. Sarkeesian chose to play clips of what she was talking about to provide context to her words.
Tanoomba is trying to relieve her of the responsibility that she herself has placed on game developers. It's pretty fucking wild to watch.
Sarkeesian holds game developers and players alike responsible for how they engage with their selected medium. As she sees it, the realities of this medium mean that developers send certain messages with their content. They are responsible for these messages. One can assume that she would hold herself to this same standard.
Sarkeesian has chosen a video format for her presentations. A combination of spoken and visual messaging. If she felt context was unnecessary to the message she was attempting to send, she would have chosen a different medium. She is after all, a self proclaimed expert on media criticism. She could have used print, or simply read out her message in front of a Feminist Frequency backdrop. Instead, the savvy Ms. Sarkeesian chose to play clips of what she was talking about to provide context to her words.
Tanoomba is trying to relieve her of the responsibility that she herself has placed on game developers. It's pretty fucking wild to watch.
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