The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

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Soygen

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Exactly. I don't want Sarkeesian censored. I want her bullshit exposed. That is all.
 

Tanoomba

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HerbalGerbil: "Never forget the words 'harmful content'. They are what Sarky-Poo and her little red general Tanoomba hang their hats on. "

Sneaky little liar, aren't you? I have never claimed that any video game content was "harmful".
Ironically, it's your lot that think Sarkeesian is "harmful" and use that to justify your shenanigans. I think video games are just fine, and I also have no problem with Sarkeesian claiming otherwise. I really don't understand why that's so difficult to grasp.
 

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Cad: "Whoever said we want Sarkeesian censored? We just want everyone to know she's a liar, con artist, and a fraud. She can continue making her dumbass videos of course."

OK, so you want her professionally destroyed so her words have no merit. According to Anne Rice, you're the bad guy, not Sarkeesian.
If you want her bullshit exposed, talk about it in a substantive way. If that's somehow not enough, then you're probably not as right as you think you are.
 

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Sneaky little liar, aren't you? I have never claimed that any video game content was "harmful".
Ironically, it's your lot that think Sarkeesian is "harmful" and use that to justify your shenanigans. I think video games are just fine, and I also have no problem with Sarkeesian claiming otherwise. I really don't understand why that's so difficult to grasp.
Wait, are you denying that Anita's whole schtick is that she is against "sexism in gaming" because it is problematic and harmful content?

Again, as others have said it, WE AREN'T FOR CENSORING ANITA. We want people opposing her point of view to get represented by the mainstream gaming media. We also wanted her history to be laid out, because I think it is also quite important to see what her end goals are. I wish you would stop misrepresenting our opinions, while being hypersensitive about people supposedly strawmanning you.


Now don't get me wrong. I wish she would shut up, just like I wish Deepak Chopra would shut up, or Dr. Oz, or Jenny Mccarthy. That is different from censorship.
 

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OK, so you want her professionally destroyed so her words have no merit.
No, I want her professionally destroyed because her words don't have merit. There's a difference. Not only because they don't have merit, but because her word is being taken at face value and passed around by major media companies, while opposition to them is ignored. I always like to imagine an impressionable parent, ignorant of gaming, watching something like Sarkeesian's videos. That parent is going to think their kid is turning into a misogy-rapist lunatic while deriving perverse pleasure from these games.
 

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I always like to imagine an impressionable parent, ignorant of gaming, watching something like Sarkeesian's videos. That parent is going to think their kid is turning into a misogy-rapist lunatic while deriving perverse pleasure from these games.
Some people always ask "What harm is she doing??". Well, right here is your answer. She is using cherry-picked examples to slander a whole entertainment niche as based on or about misogyny.


Tanoomba, you got mad at the job interview guy who said he was going to be less open about his video gaming now that people think it is based on sexism. You seemed upset if I recall that he would just cave to that. It sounded like you wanted this guy to engage in behavior he believed to be a threat to his career, yet aren't even willing to see that the problem is rooted much more in Anita's videos "poisoning the well" (you like this term!) of nongamers on our community.
 

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HerbalGerbil: "Never forget the words 'harmful content'. They are what Sarky-Poo and her little red general Tanoomba hang their hats on. "

Sneaky little liar, aren't you? I have never claimed that any video game content was "harmful".
Yes you have. One hundred percent yes you have. It is one thing I have made sure to commit to memory. You *absolutely* have used the exact words 'harmful content' when referring to the content of certain video games. I remember it quite vividly. It's what she says too.

Now ask me to go find it, from like a year ago. I know you want to. Maybe I will. I dunno. 3700 posts man. Not to mention the size of the GG thread?

Well, I suppose it's your word against mine until I find it, but I am not sneaky or a liar. I remember it very clearly because it was how I finally knew that you and her were both embarrassingly wrong about this entire subject. Both of you believe you have the right and the ability to label media content 'harmful'. It's disgusting.
 

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Both of you believe you have the right and the ability to label media content 'harmful'. It's disgusting.
I don't see anything inherently wrong with saying something is harmful. For example, I think the Koran is harmful and outright advocates misogyny. I just don't think it should be censored and I can point to objective statements from the Koran all day to show it is harmful and misogynistic, as well as show the real-life effects of people that worship the Koran. On the other hand, if I was cherry-picking examples from the Koran that weren't true, saying stuff in front of a background of the Koran and saying I wasn't actually talking about the Koran when I made mistakes, then I should be criticized.
 

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My statements and outlook would even have to be further questioned, if the mainstream media decided to go with my misleading statements and treat them as facts, while ignoring any dissenting views.
 

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I did some searching for the term "harmful" under Tanoomba's posts, and (after having some good laughs at old Zimmerman thread posts), I can't find him agreeing with Sarkeesian. In fact, I found this post, that's all the way back in November of last year, where Tanoomba clearly says he disagrees with her in that regard: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=911884&viewfull=1#post911884


I also found some posts with Tanoomba and AG arguing about this same exact topic(recalling the use of the word "harmful") in Jan of this year.
 

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I did some searching for the term "harmful" under Tanoomba's posts, and (after having some good laughs at old Zimmerman thread posts), I can't find him agreeing with Sarkeesian. In fact, I found this post, that's all the way back in November of last year, where Tanoomba clearly says he disagrees with her in that regard: http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=911884&viewfull=1#post911884


I also found some posts with Tanoomba and AG arguing about this same exact topic(recalling the use of the word "harmful") in Jan of this year.
Thats the thing Soy, he doesn't substantively defend m'lady or take a position on her opinions. He just lashes out at anyone who criticizes her.
 

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Only Tanoomba could turn implicit criticism of Anita into an explicit defense of her like this. Tanoomba, how many years' salary would you pay to suck just one of Anita's queefs through a hose?
 

Tanoomba

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Khalid: "Wait, are you denying that Anita's whole schtick is that she is against "sexism in gaming" because it is problematic and harmful content?"

I am not denying that. Sarkeesian absolutely believes video game content can be harmful. However, that's not what I believe. I was responding to AngryGerbil's false assertion that I share Sarkeesian's views.




Soy: "No, I want her professionally destroyed because her words don't have merit."

Again, even if that were true, you're going about it the wrong way. Anne Rice agrees.

Soy: "That parent is going to think their kid is turning into a misogy-rapist lunatic while deriving perverse pleasure from these games."

1) Not all parents are as dumb as the anti-Sarkeesies. Many are quite capable of understanding her message without jumping to ridiculous conclusions.
2) More and more parents actually ARE gamers and are not about to let Sarkeesian affect what they think of their kids.
3) Most parents who aren't gamers have never even heard about Sarkeesian, except maybe for when she was on TV talking about how shitty people on the internet can be.
4) What do you think the parent is going to do, ban their kid from playing video games? Worst case scenario, they actually start to pay attention to what games their kids are playing... the horror!

This is classic hand-wringing busybodyism on your part. You're talking about theoretical problems that have very little connection to reality.




Khalid: "She is using cherry-picked examples to slander a whole entertainment niche as based on or about misogyny."

She absolutely is not. You're just flat-out wrong here.

Khalid: "Tanoomba, you got mad at the job interview guy who said he was going to be less open about his video gaming now that people think it is based on sexism. You seemed upset if I recall that he would just cave to that."

No, I got mad because he was essentially complaining about a non-problem.




AngryGerbil: "Yes you have. One hundred percent yes you have. It is one thing I have made sure to commit to memory. You *absolutely* have used the exact words 'harmful content' when referring to the content of certain video games. I remember it quite vividly. It's what she says too."

Nope. It's extremely likely that what you think was my position was actually me describing Sarkeesian's position. I have never claimed I believe how women are portrayed in video games to be "harmful".
(Edit: Thanks for verifying, Soy.)




Khalid: "On the other hand, if I was cherry-picking examples from the Koran that weren't true, saying stuff in front of a background of the Koran and saying I wasn't actually talking about the Koran when I made mistakes, then I should be criticized."

1) If your stated goal was to show examples of misogyny in the Koran, you wouldn't be "cherry-picking" by showing examples of misogyny in the Koran.
2) "Saying I wasn't actually talking about the Koran..." This has been clarified a thousand times over. You're coming dangerously close to trolling here.
3) Nobody EVER said that Sarkeesian shouldn't be criticized. I have no idea why you keep bringing that up.




Cad: "Thats the thing Soy, he doesn't substantively defend m'lady or take a position on her opinions. He just lashes out at anyone who criticizes her."

If by "lashes out at anyone who criticizes her", you mean "points out the stupidity and counter-productiveness of basing your stance on personal attacks", then yes, that's what I do. Your word choice is terrible, however, and actually contains an outright lie, since you already know I have no problem with people criticizing Sarkeesian.
 

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Doc: "Only Tanoomba could turn implicit criticism of Anita into an explicit defense of her like this."

There is no implicit criticism of her there. Sarkeesian does NOT do any of the things Rice was criticizing. The fact that you think Sarkeesian falls into the group of people Rice was talking about is a classic example of confirmation bias.
 

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1) If your stated goal was to show examples of misogyny in the Koran, you wouldn't be "cherry-picking" by showing examples of misogyny in the Koran.
It certainly would be if I took them out of context.

2) "Saying I wasn't actually talking about the Koran..." This has been clarified a thousand times over. You're coming dangerously close to trolling here.
It has not been clarified at all. Your obstinate refusal to see what was going on in that video is the trolling.


Hell, if anything is an example of trolling, it is your seeing a clear attack on political correctness and SJWs as a defense of Anita is a clear example of trolling.
 

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So the person you spoke to had no idea what they were talking about, was in no way hostile or aggressive, and allowed you to clear up misconceptions so there wasn't any problem in the end... Where do you get "we have to go back to keeping this hobby on the DL" from that? Sounds to me the moral of the story is "Be as open as possible about the reality of gaming to prevent false narratives from becoming accepted as the norm".
My mistake, you really didn't see it was a problem that the narrative of gamers being misogynists has gotten this widespread. This is what I don't get. Any criticism of Anita with a different "tone" than you like, you call it a witch hunt, say we are trying to censor her. Yet no matter how much her videos have poisoned the well of gamers, you don't see it as a problem at all.

You used to continually claim that I was biased on this issue because a Thunderfoot video poisoned the well. Yet you obstinately refuse to see how the Anita videos (which you have said over and over again you have problems with) have managed to poison the well of a fuckton of people on gamers.


I really wish you would see this. It might allow you to stop continually digging yourself in this whole and self-ostracizing yourself in this hole, while continuing to argue the same points for years. I miss the days when you were one of my favorite posters for taking unpopular stances that you believed in. It just stopped being good when you absolutely refused to move on from this one thing and to constantly try and egg it on.
 

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One final thing, if you believe that Anita's videos are 100% legit (which even you don't say), then you could legitimately say she wasn't poisoning the well. She was laying out facts. However, the gaming media portrayal of her videos and the cherrypicking of a few examples of harassment targeted her way (and refusal to cover from some SJWs towards gamers and gaming organizations) has to surely be an example of poisoning the well of public views of gamers.
 
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