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Kriptini said:

Technically speaking, yes, you have to. But unless you have one of the rightsholders at your party, you're not going to get DMCA'd.

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No you don't. That is more ignorant trash.

Saying there is no argument is asinine. Not only is there an argument to be made, the DMCA is wholly unable to handle more modern situations, like individuals streaming to a widely varying sizes of audiences.

ronne said:

So Twitch ads are just the new reality at this point? I can't find any combination of browser extensions that prevents any of it anymore?

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I use Firefox and the and the previously mentioned extension. Haven’t seen an ad in awhile.

LOL at thinking you have to pay a fee to play music with other people around. What the fuck? Hahaha

LiquidDeath said:

No you don't. That is more ignorant trash.

Saying there is no argument is asinine. Not only is there an argument to be made, the DMCA is wholly unable to handle more modern situations, like individuals streaming to a widely varying sizes of audiences.

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Khane said:

LOL at thinking you have to pay a fee to play music with other people around. What the fuck? Hahaha

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You're both retarded. The recorded sound file is copyrighted. By playing it around other people, you are reproducing it, which is technically copyright infringement. Society generally accepts it as legal because there aren't ASCAP/BMI agents running around the world sniffing for copyright infringement in people's backyards. It's not legal, but people don't think twice about it because they won't get caught - and even if they did, I don't think the rightsholders would care. This is basic copyright law.

Size of audience has NOTHING to do with fair use either. RTFM.

Yep, we're definitely the retards here.

All of you fucking people can argue about the legality of it all you want. The truth of the matter is that he's correct. The RIAA can bend us over and anally rape us for playing something written in 1930.

Until we change the laws, fuck off. My stance? 10 years, then it goes to free domain. I'm sorry Sir Mix A Lot, Baby Got Back money isn't coming in anymore.

What Twitch is doing, right now, is covering their ass to get the liability protection afforded them as an online service provider under the DMCA. I'm sure, eventually, you'll have more appropriate rights on Twitch but it seems to me they got too many requests to remove copyrighted material and are blanket removing anything without checking if it actually does violate any copyright laws.

What we were talking about in the last few posts was the statement that it's copyright infringement to play music at a private party in your own home and nothing to do with Twitch.

How private is private?

A private party for, say, 10 people in your home clearly is a “private performance” as intended under U.S. Copyright Laws. A “private” party with 2,500 attendees at a country club, however, is distinctly less so, and in many situations, that kind of event could be subject to music licensing requirements.

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Alkorin said:

And it IS copyright infringement to play music at a private party

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No, it isn't. Unless you're doing things that turn that "private" party into a public event in the eyes of the law. Like charging an entry fee.

Anyway, how Twitch is currently handling things is obviously not good for their own brand in the long run. It seems like a very lazy, knee jerk reaction.

jooka said:

Amazon is just using streamers as a pawn in a bigger game, sucks to be you. wah wah wah cry some more

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Next thing you know they'll be able to get by copyright as long as they own the song on their Amazon/Twitch account.

Does Twitch actually make money?

Kriptini said:

Does Twitch actually make money?

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With all the work they are putting into makig sure people are forced to watch ads, i'm going with very little or no.

Kriptini said:

Does Twitch actually make money?

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They were not profitable as of ~2 years ago I believe.

subs are dropped in the bucket towards operating costs, ads are their way to chase actual profit and streamers like hafu who signed contracts to play ads don't exactly keep it secret how much they get for that. Their contract cut pays for a house.

The reality is the people who don't want to watch ads.. aren't going to spontaneously start wanting to. Streamers themselves don't like ads playing over top of their content, and for the ones that do have some control it's still a challenge depending on what type of genres they play since it doesn't naturally break up into neat blocks like a television show.