Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe (2016)

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the people who are anti-vaxxers and shit are the same folks who would hide their zombie bite in a zombie apocalypse

"i'm fine, i'm fine, I got away it was super lucky. anyway lets go to bed"
 
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chaos

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So, a vaccine documentary directed by Andrew Wakefield. Yikes.

Does he at least respond to the specific claims of fraud in his research that led to all this anti-vax stupidity?
 
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Is this 'film' worthy of a place in our Movie House section?

It's nothing more than a Anti-Vax promotion piece. It's not worth calling it a film in the way that it's ever going to be in a cinema or put on a streaming site.
 
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So, a vaccine documentary directed by Andrew Wakefield. Yikes.

Does he at least respond to the specific claims of fraud in his research that led to all this anti-vax stupidity?

I've never seen the film, or heard of this guy but I'll summarize what I remember from studying it a few years ago. First, the one debunked autism study wasn't the only study at the time questioning vaccines (I don't believe this video is about that study). There were a couple legitimate studies into potential problems with an adjuvants used in the vaccine being discussed called Thimerosal. This adjuvant, thimerosal contained mercury that was well above levels that were deemed safe and so it prompted said studies. However, said mercury was ethylmercury, not methylmercury...The former is supposedly far safer in humans because its more easily removed by our bodies. (This was the argument from the pharma companies and eventually the CDC, as linked).

The initial 2 studies found a weak correlation to an increase in neurological diseases (I don't think specifically autism). Not strong enough to say 'this is the cause', but strong enough to warrant more studies, and they claimed that it might be do to the ethylmercury in Thimererosal (Even if its safer, it might not be totally "safe"). Other studies, I believe returned inconclusive results or showed no link at all. (This is where I believe the controversy comes in, in that the CDCs studies had issues of some kind.) In any case, this issue got mixed up with the autism study but they are not the same, or even about the same vaccine and in these studies general neurological problems were cited, I believe.

The FDA (I believe?) pressured the vaccine maker to stop using thirmerosal despite the evidence of harm being weak/inconclusive (They used certain principle of harm reduction? Essentially 'better safe than sorry'). The Pharma companies did so, and in 2001 the vaccines were no longer made with the adjuvant in them (The only place its found now is multi-dose flu vaccines for adults). Some lawsuits were won for neurological damage due to this vaccine--however, the caveat with lawsuits is that the government is liable and there all kinds of special provisions so winning a lawsuit isn't exactly proof there was any real harm done (Because the standards are lower than a normal civil case I believe...again, because the government has a legal deal with vaccine makers to be liable for damages if the FDA approves the vaccine).



The above is as fair a history as I can recall. You can make of it what you will. I have no idea what the video says or does not say, but in my personal study of it that's what I walked away with.
 
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chaos

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I've never seen the film, or heard of this guy but I'll summarize what I remember from studying it a few years ago. First, the one debunked autism study wasn't the only study at the time questioning vaccines (I don't believe this video is about that study). There were a couple legitimate studies into potential problems with an adjuvants used in the vaccine being discussed called Thimerosal. This adjuvant, thimerosal contained mercury that was well above levels that were deemed safe and so it prompted said studies. However, said mercury was ethylmercury, not methylmercury...The former is supposedly far safer in humans because its more easily removed by our bodies. (This was the argument from the pharma companies and eventually the CDC, as linked).

The initial 2 studies found a weak correlation to an increase in neurological diseases (I don't think specifically autism). Not strong enough to say 'this is the cause', but strong enough to warrant more studies, and they claimed that it might be do to the ethylmercury in Thimererosal (Even if its safer, it might not be totally "safe"). Other studies, I believe returned inconclusive results or showed no link at all. (This is where I believe the controversy comes in, in that the CDCs studies had issues of some kind.) In any case, this issue got mixed up with the autism study but they are not the same, or even about the same vaccine and in these studies general neurological problems were cited, I believe.

The FDA (I believe?) pressured the vaccine maker to stop using thirmerosal despite the evidence of harm being weak/inconclusive (They used certain principle of harm reduction? Essentially 'better safe than sorry'). The Pharma companies did so, and in 2001 the vaccines were no longer made with the adjuvant in them (The only place its found now is multi-dose flu vaccines for adults). Some lawsuits were won for neurological damage due to this vaccine--however, the caveat with lawsuits is that the government is liable and there all kinds of special provisions so winning a lawsuit isn't exactly proof there was any real harm done (Because the standards are lower than a normal civil case I believe...again, because the government has a legal deal with vaccine makers to be liable for damages if the FDA approves the vaccine).



The above is as fair a history as I can recall. You can make of it what you will. I have no idea what the video says or does not say, but in my personal study of it that's what I walked away with.
As far as I know, that is correct. The guy who directed this film is the very guy who performed the debunked study linking autism to thimerosal. Which he claims is a big pharma conspiracy against him to cover up the adverse effects of vaccines.
 

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He also basically gave the kids he was studying PTSD and had his medical license revoked
 

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Yeah, but have you guys seen Loose Change??!?!?!

Wake up, sheeple!!!!
 
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