Westworld

etchazz said:

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating: out of all of my friends and family members who watch the show, NONE of them have even guessed yet that William=MIB. It is clever writing, just that it was spoiled for most of us because of people posting all over the Internet about it. Would most of us have guessed it by now without the spoilers? Probably, but I definitely didn't have it figured out after only episode 2. A lot of people turn their brains off when they watch a TV show, they're not necessarily watching it as intuitively as the people who post here.

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I don't think it was spoiled at all. The internet provides a forum for discussion and for reinforcement of beliefs by like-minded people, but all this internet theorycrafting wasn't necessary to arrive at these conclusions. If you didn't suspect that William and the Man in Black were connected in some way by episode 5 then a) you were using Westworld as background noise or b) you're a moron.

yeah. I noted immediately the symbolism between MIB and William.

Stupidmonkey was the first here to outright say, "MIB=William. look at the logos, and they do the same exact action with the can and Dolores." back on oct 13th.

I was pretty on board with that immediately. I was thrown off by the Dolores crashing into theie camp for a bit. But the very next episode? squashed that doubt, with the logan+william talk about the buyout, which sealed the deal for 2 timelines for me.
(I'll admit, I thought the Bernard=robot+arnold stuff was wrong.)

I'm confident enough now to say that neither William or Logan are the MIB. In episode 7 when MIB and Teddy save that woman and MIB remarks "I though they would have retired you by now." That woman is from the original storyline, from the town that Teddy massacres everyone in. That same town where Dolores has her flashback with William pulling the gun away from her head.

That town is buried by the time William and Logan visit The park. Yet MIB clearly states he remembers that host that was only seen in that original storyline.

H.A. Monkey said:

I'm confident enough now to say that neither William or Logan are the MIB. In episode 7 when MIB and Teddy save that woman and MIB remarks "I though they would have retired you by now." That woman is from the original storyline, from the town that Teddy massacres everyone in. That same town where Dolores has her flashback with William pulling the gun away from her head.

That town is buried by the time William and Logan visit The park. Yet MIB clearly states he remembers that host that was only seen in that original storyline.

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Dude what? She was the same host that greeted William, and got him dressed after the monorail, before entering the park.. (Talulah Riley, Elon Musk's ex-wife.

Why would a greeter host ever need to get retired? Only the hosts within the storyline get retired.

IDK, why would you give 2000+ robots individual faces, names, identities and personalities at all? Why would you rebuild them over and over, instead of just making a new copy when you break one? Why retire them whole, instead of like removing the cpu/brain, and using the rest of the body for parts? Why reuse a robot in a different role at all?

who knows why anyone would do any of these things, which defy logic of machinery, production, etc. Logically..,. there would be like 10 Dolores's. One breaks, spare Dolores fills her roll in the story, so there is no gap.
But, we have to just take it they do treat them like people for some reason. And as such. a unique robot face, is a unique robot. and that robot is used in 3 different places. its not a body double.

Soygen said:

Wasn't Monkey also the one who was certain this was all one timeline? In other words, he's very bad at watching tv.

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I didn't think it was a two timeline deal to start because I thought since the hosts are constantly being rebuilt that there were multiple versions of each host. Which still may be the case of certain physical characteristics of the hosts. Twins in the sense of looks. It turned out I was wrong on the timeline, but why would the park take a host that was already shot through the head and reinstate her as a greeter host? Specially after the shit storm with Teddy and Dolores. Then not only is she retired from being a greeter host, she's put back into a narative? Cmon now.

H.A. Monkey said:

I'm confident enough now to say that neither William or Logan are the MIB. In episode 7 when MIB and Teddy save that woman and MIB remarks "I though they would have retired you by now." That woman is from the original storyline, from the town that Teddy massacres everyone in. That same town where Dolores has her flashback with William pulling the gun away from her head.

That town is buried by the time William and Logan visit The park. Yet MIB clearly states he remembers that host that was only seen in that original storyline.

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H.A. Monkey trying to take Astr0's title. You gonna let him do that?

H.A. Monkey said:

I didn't think it was a two timeline deal to start because I thought since the hosts are constantly being rebuilt that there were multiple versions of each host. Which still may be the case of certain physical characteristics of the hosts. Twins in the sense of looks. It turned out I was wrong on the timeline, but why would the park take a host that was already shot through the head and reinstate her as a greeter host? Specially after the shit storm with Teddy and Dolores. Then not only is she retired from being a greeter host, she's put back into a narative? Cmon now.

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Seriously give up on this show man. You're never going to have a clue what's going on.

Fuck, bring astro back.

Gravel said:

H.A. Monkey trying to take Astr0's title. You gonna let him do that?

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So the time the MIB references the major problem that happened at the park 30+years ago implying he was there then. And our knowing that William didn't visit the park until after those events. You still want to go with your MIB=William theory? I may have to change my stance on Logan though. He does have a prior visit(s). But no way in hell does William=MIB.

Soygen said:

C'mon, man. Let's not get crazy...

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Think about it. Astro's stupid ass would probably buy into this "Logan is actually the MIB!" horseshit, but since he's astro, he'd call him William and everyone would be blissfully ignorant.

H.A. Monkey said:

So the time the MIB references the major problem that happened at the park 30+years ago implying he was there then. And our knowing that William didn't visit the park until after those events. You still want to go with your MIB=William theory? I may have to change my stance on Logan though. He does have a prior visit(s). But no way in hell does William=MIB.

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I'm not actually sure what you're referencing here.

j00t said:

uhm... yes? when did that happen?

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Forget what I said, there was obviously some acid in my sweet tea. On Sunday night I seriously thought I saw Bernard give Ford the halt all motor functions command and he froze... just rewatched the scene again, and no that never happened. Holy crap

Drinsic said:

Think about it. Astro's stupid ass would probably buy into this "Logan is actually the MIB!" horseshit, but since he's astro, he'd call him William and everyone would be blissfully ignorant.

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Except for the 2 or 3 shitty youtube videos every week.